eBookAd president: We’re thriving–even in the wake of overseas fraud attempts against us
May 31, 2005 | 11:32 pm
By David Rothman
eBookAd says it’s thriving and is paying publishers every penny owed–despite a series of attempted credit card frauds from the Middle East and Asian countries such as Vietnam. I’ve talked to the company at length and so far I find its explanations entirely credible.
“Full royalties have been sent to all publishers who’ve had their cashouts delayed and have their accounts in good standing,” says Dustin Revin, president of the e-book retailer, distributor and Web infrastructure provider with more than 600 small publishers as customers.
Dustin shared with me an indication of the scope of the attempted fraud. Just one fraudster alone, using IP addresses from many locations, employed different cards to charge $4,673.17 in purchases through 24 transactions in just over two months, Dustin says.
A few of Dustin’s points:
–The problems affected just a fraction of eBookAd’s publishers, and the fraudulent transactions were detected early enough to keep losses extremely small–to the point where the main costs were in penalty fees charged by credit card processors. He says the attempted frauds were in the five figures, with only a fraction of that amount successful.
–Out of prudence, Dustin says, eBookAd needed to keep reserves on hand to guard against the uncertainties. He said his “biggest nightmare” was that he would pay small publishers for others’ fraudulent transactions. Then, he feared, they would compensate writers–only to be forced later on to request the money back from the authors or absorb losses.
–eBookAd has offered to pay a small “loyalty bonus” to “reward” publishers for their patience.
–The company has refined its software so that in the future, if transactions are questioned, the money involved will be isolated so publishers can receive other payments as scheduled. “With the new sytem,” Dustin says, “we can mark an individual transaction as fraudulent without the entire account being on hold.”
What’s more, Dustin says the new system would have flagged the man with 25 fraudulent transactions in two months. In fact, it successfully did so as recently as May 24.
–eBookAd does not directly collect credit card numbers of customers, he says, so no one buying books from the company should worry about even the remotest possibility of their numbers being stolen.
I’m buying eBookAd’s explanation. Two members of the eBook Community list complained to the list about eBookAd, and a third contacted me. Other than that, no other publisher emailed me–a stark contrast to the situation when publishers were reporting late payments from OverDrive. What’s more, Dustin says at least one of the complaining pubishers will be returning to the eBookAd fold.
Any other folks with problems? Email me via the information in the contact link at in the upper right of this page. Otherwise I think it’s time to move on to other concerns.
Richard Tuttle, in fact, one of the complaining publishers, has just written me a note that confirms my belief in eBookAd’s explanation:
I had a call today from Dustin Revin of eBookAd concerning publisher cash-outs and lack of communications. He explained that eBookAd has been the victim of a rash of fraudulent transactions. He was extremely apologetic, and his explanations and apologies were warmly received. Dustin also offered to pay extra because of the delay in attending to the cash-outs, but I refused the offer as my concern was more for the continued existence of eBookAd than the money. I am pleased that the [issues] of fraud and lack of communications are now behind us. I look forward to continued good relations with eBookAd as one of the premier ebook retailers and will be relisting my ebooks immediately.
I wish eBookAd and Dustin Revin the best as we all move forward to make ebooks a viable industry.
eBookAd’s revenue and growth: The company is privately owned, so, for competitive reasons, Dustin says, he is not releasing the numbers. But he does say that an indicator such as Alexa traffic counts would not be completely reliable since only a portion of eBookAd’s revenue comes from its own domain.
Further documentation: I’ve asked eBookAd for a statement from credit card people verifying the scoope of the attempted fraud.
Update: The statement just arrived. It’s far from definitive, but based on what Rich and another publisher, Jon Logan, are now saying, I don’t think this matter is worth examining further.
Ed’s paid: From Ed Howdershelt of Albintra Press, another of the complaining publishers, came the following note, dated June 3: “Abintra Press received payment from eBookad yesterday via Paypal for the amount plus a little to defray Paypal’s fee. Apparently eBookad fell victim to some overseas credit card scammers and had to freeze funds while they sorted out which charges were legitimate.”
Reminder: TeleRead and eBookAd are linking partners. Poor Dustin. I went out of my way to make certain the TeleBlog wasn’t playing favorites.
Update, March 29, 2006: As people reading my comments and subequent posts know, I have lost faith in Dustin. It’s for accountants and law enforcement agencies and courts to determine if he’s stealing from anyone. What is clear is that at the very least he is not communicating well with customers. For this reason, if I were a book publisher, I would not do business with him.



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Same here. I requested pay out in April 2005. I heard absolutely nothing at all. Sent several follow-up emails. No response. Initiated cash out for all monies due and stopped sales of all our ebooks on the site. Still no response. I have been in touch with several other publishers and all say the same thing. No one (apparently) has been paid since early this year and no response or explanation from ebookad.com
This has gone on for far too long now…
We still have four cash-outs that have not been paid over the last 7 months. We’ve not heard from them either. I have joined the many publishers in stopping the sale of our books from my two publishing companies.
ebookad may be thriving but it’s at the expense of the publishers who place books for sale at ebookad and at the expense of the writers who write those books. I have requested three cash outs and have not received one payment so far and all email and phone attempts have been ignored.
When I first placed books on ebookad I thought it was a professional, legitimate business, but now I have grave concerns.
Hi all,
well, it appears that the same scenario is shaping up again. Once
again they owe me an amount which is close to 500 CAD all told,
several cashouts have been requested, the oldest of which i have been
waiting on for over two months now. In short, things are playing out
exactly the way they did in the first place. I have pulled my titles and requested a cashout for the last few dollars remaining in my account.
I would have been happy to receive a simple answer to the question
of ” how long does it take to receive a cashout, from the time I
request it to the time you mail the cheque?” but no such answer has
been forthcoming, though I have been asking this question basically
since I joined in early april 2005
After many fruitless attempts to elicit some response from Dustin
Revin, I finally telephoned John Zarokol in hopes of getting some
explanation. I am significantly less than pleased at his attitude towards this issue.
imo, the phone call was a waste of time, excepting that it serves (for me) as an indicator of the managerial position of eBookAd.com.
Mr Zarokol referred to himself as an ‘overseer’, and seemed annoyed that I had the temerity to call him up on the phone. He was bothered that I phoned him at home, on the weekend. I said “well, thats because they (eBookAd.com) never answer the phone during working hours, nor do they respond to my emails or return my calls, and I have been trying to contact them for 2 months.” He replied that the staff at eBookAd.com were “very busy” and “didnt have time to answer the phone”.
Over the course of a 10-minute conversation, and in response to my concerns, Mr Zarokol:
- explained that ebookad.com “doesnt have time to babysit it’s customers”
- gave me some rather vauge assurances that everything is fine
- said he would forward my email to Dustin
- explained that the amount they owe me and the others who have complained is small enough that it’s not worth getting upset about
- pointed out that larger publishers are “getting paid tens of thousands of dollars” with no problems
- claimed the cheques had been mailed but did not provide dates, amounts, or cheque numbers
- said there was little he could do other than forward my concerns to Dustin
- told me that eventually they will have an electronic payment system which will process payments in 48 hours, but repeatedly refused to give me an E.T.A. on the cashouts already requested
- said he had to go because he was having a barbeque and I shouldnt bother him on the weekend
I do not understand this attitude. Initially, I felt sorry for Dustin. Now, I feel annoyed. I feel that I am being brushed off, and that my intelligence is being insulted.
Mr Zarokol essentially came across to me with the attitude this matter is a (much) lower priority than his lunch.
I suggest that we act in unison, synchronize our actions for maximum effect.
I am willing, initially, to compile a list of authors/publishers with complaints against eBookAd.com concerning non-payment of royalties, if they contact me via email at this address:
jon7@img.net
sincerely,
Jon Logan
Update: I received all monies due by Paypal transfer (which is much better, in my opinion, than still waiting for a “check in the mail”, despite the hefty fee taken out by Paypal).
I appreciate finally being paid. I will NOT be turning on our ebooks for sale again at ebookad.com. What’s the point, when it appears that nothing short of complete mutiny and a whole bunch of squeaky wheels will persuade them to operate in a business-like manner.
I Have received a pending e-check through paypal for the amount requested. I am still leaning towards the sentiment expressed above. I am not thrilled at the prospect of going through this public and distasteful process a third time. I am taking the matter under advisement, and will think seriously on how best to proceed in the future.
Jon Logan
I have been told that the matter is being looked into for my missing check and know that one of the companies I publish through has had zero problems with ebookad. So I am content to play the waiting game and trust them to sort the problems out here.
Never received payment.
I say let’s all band together and file a formal complaint and lawsuit against these idiots. They are NOT going to fully pay everyone. It’s the typical pyramid scheme and the ‘founder’s’ attitude pretty much tells the whole story (as in read between the lines).
These people are scam artists. Sure, it seemed like a good deal just like that pyramid scheme…
So if anyone wants to join me in a class-action lawsuit, please let me know. I’m working on getting an attorney and forming such a suit. This is pure and simple fraud. NO WAY would a company be brought under by a few credit card scammers. That’s just bull.
thanks all of you for your posts.
to be clear, i do not think that eBookAd.com is a pyramid scheme, or just a company trying to scam people. i think that it is a company with a great idea, one that proved to be more complicated in execution that likely they anticipated.
Mr Zarokol’s attitude, in hindsight, is about what i would expect from an investor / upper management guy.
It is a possibility that dustin has been instructed to keep a zipped lip. This would not be the first time that a person in a magagerial position made a foolish decision.
I have been doing some more digging, and i think that eBookAd.com is just a company that got into trouble, and decided to keep a zipped lip instead of addressing the issue publicly. That was a mistake imo, but i have to admit that i did get paid, even if i thought it took too long, and even if i thought that they should have been more forthcoming with an explanation.
FWIW, even though they annoyed me very much with the silence, i would have a hard time replacing them. If that were not the case, i would never have gone through this a second time.
In any case, i intend to keep digging until i get to the bottom of it, and not to assume that i know whats going on before i actually do.
So far, a few of you have contacted me, and i thank you for that, i will be responding to you by email shortly. I am hoping that i will shortly have some actual facts upon which to proceed.
Sincerely,
Jon Logan
Well I am glad to see some have been paid. I have not received any checks yet.
Owed for April 2005 cashout
May 2005 cashout
June 2005 cashout
July 2005 cashout
No communication from ebookad to any email queries or phone calls.
Cheryl, Allure Books
We have also not been paid even though the publisher i work for has had five top bestsellers for the past few weeks. We have asked for three cash outs of around 250 that may not amount to alot of money but when you are starting out every little bit counts. And we have received no reply to the emails we sent. It’s sad that they don’t think enough of the smaller publisher that they dont bother paying us. A few hundred dollars might not seem like alot to ebookad but for a new publisher starting out it helps keep us a float. Every little bit adds up.Since I know that several other larger publishers get paid on time and frequntly. We shouldn’t have to keep trying to contact that from a professional business.
I am glad that some of you have been paid but for all that have been paid there are probably 5 to 10 who have neevr have gooten paid or even gotten a response back from ebookad.
Also everytime we request a cash out it says that we are supposed to get a confirmation email back but have never received one.
We have had 4-5 ebooks in the bestseller for the past month and a half one would think that would at least merit a response
> David,
>
> Hi! Just wanted to let you know that ebookad finally responded to one
> of my
> inquiries and has sent me $300 of the $409 they owe me. They said they
> wanted to make sure there were no fraudulent charges, so they called
> the
> $300 a partial payment. Overall, I am satisfied and glad they FINALLY
> decided to pay attention to me. I’m still not going to link back to
> them
> because I find I am doing just as well (and keeping more of the
> profits) by
> using PayPal for credit card processing. Nevertheless, I do hope that
> ebookad.com does make it out of this slump and get back to doing better
> business.
>
> Melysha
> http://www.brokenheartedgirl.com
Thanks for the update, Melysha, and I’m glad to hear you’ve collected most of your money. Let’s hope eBookAd makes it. I wish Dustin, etc., the best of luck in coping with the problems there. – David
I just found this blog. Now I know why my payout requested 2 months ago is still not paid…despite my emails and calls to Dustin and his assurance that I would get an email the afternoon I talked to him. Fortunately the amount I am owed is not large…but I will definitely be pulling my ebooks.
Ebookad has not paid me moneys owing from a June 6, ’05 cash out.
That’s the secondary problem, however. Currently, ebookad.com continues to sell a book (New Wilderness) they have no right to represent or sell. The publisher, TreeSide Press, no longer has any rights to the book and the owner of TreeSide has essentially vanished. Ebookad continues to sell the book despite numerous emails and calls from me. All attempts to contact ebookad have been ignored by them.
I can only assume they’re going to keep selling books and pocketing the money until they end up behind bars, which, in my opinion, is where they belong.
So now I’m going to sue them.
It’s a shame, really. I thought ebookad was a trustworthy institution, but it turns out they’re just a bunch of thieves like so many other businesses in the industry.
Brian S. Matthews
Author of New Wilderness
I am so thankful (yet dismayed) to hear other publishers are having the same problems we are.
We requested a cashout on February 15th — now almost seven months ago! — and have yet to receive payment. We did receive one email reply to our six sent. That email explained the problem with fraudulent charges, mentioned that all payments had been halted during their investigation into the problem, and that “soon” our check would be mailed out. That was a month ago. All subsequent emails have gone unanswered and phone calls to the numbers listed on the eBookAd website are now automatically forwarded to a voicemail box that is full.
Based on what others are stating here, I’m starting to think that initial response email from Devin (the one explaining the fraud problem) was a form letter sent by an autoresponder. Our email sounds word-for-word what other publishers have mentioned receiving. – Artemispress
Although we regret doing so, we have pulled our titles from eBookAd… at least on a temporary basis until we receive a response of some sort from Devin. eBookAd was one of our first distributors… and up until recently, we had been quite satisfied with their operation.
Last week I pulled all of our titles from ebookad.com. I sent two demand emails for contact about payment to the owner/president (dustin) with no response.
I am going to move forward to contact a lawyer if any publisher having this problem wants to band together you can contact me at allurebooks@yahoo.com
Cheryl, Allure Books.
I requested a cashout in August of a small amount after hearing about the difficulty other publishers were having. I was told that there would be no problems with my getting a check issued as the “fraud” incident hadn’t in any way impacted my account.
Well, I never received a check. I also haven’t received a response to my e-mail query and our CFO can’t get a returned phone call. It looks like some folks have received checks, but we have yet to. Any help would be appreciated.
Lori James
Linden Bay Romance, LLP
The only way you get a response from this creep – Dustin – is when you post on his site that ebook hasn’t paid you as an author and that it’s most likely a scam. I’d suggest everyone who hasn’t been paid to feel free and post your story here
http://www.ebookad.com/addreview.php3
Just be honest – and state you have not been paid.
We can all say, “Gee I sure wish things would work out…and we all hope Dustin the best” but you need to be honest with yourself and realize this guy is just a scammer.
He may have run into problems (and I don’t believe that site about paypal – that’s a scam too meant to point people to that credit card service). But now he’s just running a pyramid scheme. He gets new people in, doesn’t pay others, makes it almost impossible to remove content, and keeps taking money.
This guy gives all legit sites – including each one of us as a publisher – a bad name.
Hi
We used to post a few of our author titles at ebookad, earlier this year but,like so many, when it came to payoiut time – our account at ebookad got debited but no cheque arrived. Emails have been ignored so our titles have been pulled.
We are a self-publishing site as well as publishing our own authors so we know the importance of paying promptly….
We are small but growing – one of our authors has earned over $700 in commission in September – and he’s already received a cheque for the first $540. The rest of the commission was earned after his payment request was made.
In our view, keeping your customers happy is important BUT so is keeping your suppliers paid and happy with the service you provide.
We tred posting on ebookad that we had not been paid. Within an hour and a half all are books and posts were removed and it looks like we have never even sold anything through them. I took that to mean that it was a certainty they were not going to pay us a dime.
Like everyone else we’ve had problems with non-payment from eBookad for more than a year. Our amounts are rather small (a few hundred), so there is no sense of urgency. But payment when requested is necessary to keep publishers and authors happy.
I formally requested that eBookad pull all our content today. This amounts to over 300 titles. eBookad.com’s corporate office is within driving distant of us so further action may be considered.
Deron Douglas
Publisher, Double Dragon Publishing Inc.
Hi, Deron. Sorry things came to that. Keep us posted, and best of luck. If nothing else, I’d love to know the origins of eBookAd’s problems. David
Hi David. I feel the same. This sort of thing will generally happen for two reasons 1) a business is “scam” as mentioned above. This indicates a primary intention of conning people out of their money, or 2) the business is having cash flow problems. These cash flow problems can be a result of a number of different factors; some legit and some not.
I think eBookad is in the second boat. I doubt that they are intentionally scamming anyone. But rather are having problems getting payment from the people that owe them (PayPal?).
But on the other hand, how long can we wait? As has been mentioned, a resolution to this problem hasn’t occured for months if not a year, and in fact seems to be getting worse. Plus, communication seems to have disappeared.
On a general note, I think the industry is experiencing a shrinking process. More publishers and retailers are going under. Retailers have distilled into two major players (Fictionwise and eReader)… I’m not mentioning ContentReserve because like a lot of other publishers this company is responsible for “playing games” and with-holding payments.
I think we will continue to see more retailers going under as well as publishers.
Just my two cents.
What a shame, Deron. If PayPal is indeed the problem, perhaps eBookAd could whip up support among publishers. Instead eBookAd seems to be distancing itself from people who would be natural supporters. Thanks. David