eBookAd president: We’re thriving–even in the wake of overseas fraud attempts against us
May 31, 2005 | 11:32 pm
By David Rothman
eBookAd says it’s thriving and is paying publishers every penny owed–despite a series of attempted credit card frauds from the Middle East and Asian countries such as Vietnam. I’ve talked to the company at length and so far I find its explanations entirely credible.
“Full royalties have been sent to all publishers who’ve had their cashouts delayed and have their accounts in good standing,” says Dustin Revin, president of the e-book retailer, distributor and Web infrastructure provider with more than 600 small publishers as customers.
Dustin shared with me an indication of the scope of the attempted fraud. Just one fraudster alone, using IP addresses from many locations, employed different cards to charge $4,673.17 in purchases through 24 transactions in just over two months, Dustin says.
A few of Dustin’s points:
–The problems affected just a fraction of eBookAd’s publishers, and the fraudulent transactions were detected early enough to keep losses extremely small–to the point where the main costs were in penalty fees charged by credit card processors. He says the attempted frauds were in the five figures, with only a fraction of that amount successful.
–Out of prudence, Dustin says, eBookAd needed to keep reserves on hand to guard against the uncertainties. He said his “biggest nightmare” was that he would pay small publishers for others’ fraudulent transactions. Then, he feared, they would compensate writers–only to be forced later on to request the money back from the authors or absorb losses.
–eBookAd has offered to pay a small “loyalty bonus” to “reward” publishers for their patience.
–The company has refined its software so that in the future, if transactions are questioned, the money involved will be isolated so publishers can receive other payments as scheduled. “With the new sytem,” Dustin says, “we can mark an individual transaction as fraudulent without the entire account being on hold.”
What’s more, Dustin says the new system would have flagged the man with 25 fraudulent transactions in two months. In fact, it successfully did so as recently as May 24.
–eBookAd does not directly collect credit card numbers of customers, he says, so no one buying books from the company should worry about even the remotest possibility of their numbers being stolen.
I’m buying eBookAd’s explanation. Two members of the eBook Community list complained to the list about eBookAd, and a third contacted me. Other than that, no other publisher emailed me–a stark contrast to the situation when publishers were reporting late payments from OverDrive. What’s more, Dustin says at least one of the complaining pubishers will be returning to the eBookAd fold.
Any other folks with problems? Email me via the information in the contact link at in the upper right of this page. Otherwise I think it’s time to move on to other concerns.
Richard Tuttle, in fact, one of the complaining publishers, has just written me a note that confirms my belief in eBookAd’s explanation:
I had a call today from Dustin Revin of eBookAd concerning publisher cash-outs and lack of communications. He explained that eBookAd has been the victim of a rash of fraudulent transactions. He was extremely apologetic, and his explanations and apologies were warmly received. Dustin also offered to pay extra because of the delay in attending to the cash-outs, but I refused the offer as my concern was more for the continued existence of eBookAd than the money. I am pleased that the [issues] of fraud and lack of communications are now behind us. I look forward to continued good relations with eBookAd as one of the premier ebook retailers and will be relisting my ebooks immediately.
I wish eBookAd and Dustin Revin the best as we all move forward to make ebooks a viable industry.
eBookAd’s revenue and growth: The company is privately owned, so, for competitive reasons, Dustin says, he is not releasing the numbers. But he does say that an indicator such as Alexa traffic counts would not be completely reliable since only a portion of eBookAd’s revenue comes from its own domain.
Further documentation: I’ve asked eBookAd for a statement from credit card people verifying the scoope of the attempted fraud.
Update: The statement just arrived. It’s far from definitive, but based on what Rich and another publisher, Jon Logan, are now saying, I don’t think this matter is worth examining further.
Ed’s paid: From Ed Howdershelt of Albintra Press, another of the complaining publishers, came the following note, dated June 3: “Abintra Press received payment from eBookad yesterday via Paypal for the amount plus a little to defray Paypal’s fee. Apparently eBookad fell victim to some overseas credit card scammers and had to freeze funds while they sorted out which charges were legitimate.”
Reminder: TeleRead and eBookAd are linking partners. Poor Dustin. I went out of my way to make certain the TeleBlog wasn’t playing favorites.
Update, March 29, 2006: As people reading my comments and subequent posts know, I have lost faith in Dustin. It’s for accountants and law enforcement agencies and courts to determine if he’s stealing from anyone. What is clear is that at the very least he is not communicating well with customers. For this reason, if I were a book publisher, I would not do business with him.



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I have been putting suitable (= the less strong) books from bdsmbooks.com on ebookad since April, and am now owed $1,800, the first cheque $200 being cut April 15. Slow payment would not distress me, but all efforts to sort this out have been totally ignored. Like other publishers, I am prepared to go out of my way to help in case of problems, but a total lack of communication over several months of strenuous attempts is just not on.
Hello, Pentland. I’m passing your letter on to Dustin. I don’t know all the facts and can’t reach a judgment, but I do agree you deserve an answer from eBookAd. Thanks for writing. Keep me posted! What’s more, I’m interested in payment-related info from other publishers. – David
If you are passing this on (which is great) please compliment ebookad on a great site and say our publisher name to which money is owed is bondage books.
Well, we are one of ebookad’s customers who hasn’t received payment (request dating from 4-10-05), response to numerous phone calls or emails, any sort of communication in weeks now. At this point, we’re owed over $1000 and are heartbroken. Ebookads is one of our earliest markets and I’ll hate if we have to pull all of the novels. All we need is some communication from them, some acknowledgement that they are going to hold up to their end of the contractual agreement.
I have now heard from ebookad and hope to have something positive to say shortly
Great, Pentland! Share with us the news–whatever it is. Let’s hope it’s indeed postive.
Here’s one more complaint about eBookAd–just received from Neff Rotter at Belgrave House. – DR
David–
I see that some of those having problems have now been paid, so I’m
hopeful that I will be, too. I really like ebookad’s setup, better
than any of the other sites I deal with, so I’m hoping they’re around
for the long term.
Neff
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Neff passed on to me the following note to eBookAd:
So far this year I’ve received only one check for $100 from eBookAd.
This was a cash out of January 4, 2005 covering the period 9/29/04-
1/3/05 which I received on 4/4/05.
Since then I’ve requested the following cash outs:
2/7/05 $100 (covering 1/4/05-2/6/05)
3/8/05 $100 (covering 2/7/05-3/7/05)
3/25/05 $100 (covering 3/8/05-3/25/05)
4/20/05 $100 (covering 3/26/05-4/19/05)
5/25/05 $100 (covering 4/20/05-5/25/05)
Even if you are only paying every three months, I should have
received two more checks (and very soon a third) by now. Please let
me know the status of these cash outs.
Thanks.
Neff Rotter
I have been waiting for my first cash out since January 31st – it is now July 9th. Two months ago I was told I would receive my payments ‘soon’.
I am now considering what legal action should be taken – mainly becasue of the lack of contact from ebookad and the length I have to go to to get any kind of answer from them!
James
As far as I am concerned I shall leave it to the Ontario Police to whom I have just posted a complaint.
The people at eBook Ad do not respond to emails.
I heve removed my books from them. The whole thing begins to look like an internet scam. If they were genuine surely they would respond to enquiries from people who have placed books with them?
Tony
Hi, Tony. Just off the phone with Dustin Revin. The word is that he’s going on vacation for a week after having paid all the publishers and writers expecting payments. He says the checks have been mailed. I’ll be very eager to hear from you if your check has not arrived by then–or, for that matter, if it has. Same for other publishers. Needless to say, I’ve suggested to Dustin that if nothing else, he needs to communicate better with writers and publishers. You and everyone else should continue to keep me posted. If problems persist, then, yes, this issue will be back on the home page of the TeleBlog! Thanks. David
David,
I shall see if a cheque arrives.
I have to say that nothing would please me more than to find that everything was legit and above board and that they are just going through a crisis as described. If this is the real truth then I will go back and support them.
However, I know of no legitimate business that compoletely igniore its customers who are the source of its revenue.
Tony
I think it is only fair to say to other publishers that since I said above (June 29) that I had heard from support at ebookad that they were ‘looking into’ my claim, I have heard nothing else from them. As soon as I do I will report here. I am owed $2,000 now, dating back to first ‘cheque cut’ on April 15. Like others, I regard this as an admirable site to whom one be very sympathetic if only they made the effort to communicate.
Well, Tony and Pentland and James and everyone else, please keep me updated. If Dustin pays off everyone within a week–then, great! If not, I’m gonna hammer away at this again on the home page. You can help at that time by providing yet more details, to which I can link. But let’s hope he pays so this is not necessary. Meanwhile I’m glad I can provide a forum! – David
We certainly hope that payment is on the way. We have pulled our books until we do get the checks owed us, as despite repeated pleas we still have absolutely no contact on the check that they were “going to send this afternoon” over two months ago.
It’s such a shame, as we enjoyed a good working relationship with them up until around the first of the year.
L. Hinson, Torquere Press
LAURA Thanks for the info. The story will be back on the home page of the TeleBlog if people don’t have their checks by next Tuesday or so. That’s a bit more than the promised week. Please let me know your status–whether you have payment by then.
EVERYONE: Has anyone gotten a check at this point? Comments welcome.
Thanks,
David
One more day until Tuesday. Have the checks arrived? – David
Here’s a link to a consumer complaint about a book not arriving even though the customer paid for it.
I encourage people to centralize their comments in the present area of the TeleBlog.
David
No checks, and it’s now Wednesday.
Hi, Lorna. As promised, the post has just appeared on the home page of the TeleBlog. Given all the traffic from the TeleBlog’s Harry Potter scoop, I suspect thousands of people will be seeing it. Keep in touch about the check. Thanks. David
No cheque in spite of statement ‘looking into it’ on June 29.
Appreciated the update, Pentland. It will be interesting to see what eBookAd’s next explanation will be. My sympathy. – Daivd
I requested a payout back in Feb… five email contacts later from my end, nothing from them and no pay out.
Just $130, but for someone like me that is a lot of money. – terripray.com
Hi, and thanks for this page. Please excuse the long post.
I am the ‘other publisher’ referred to above, thanks for the link, however my name is JON Logan, and not Jim logan. [Corrected.-DR]
Regarding Dustin and eBookAd.com, i did receive the initial payment totalling about 500 CAD, after the initial dispute. Since then, i have simply requested cashouts when the amount i was owed reached about 100 USD. The first of these was dated Jun 15 2005 and the second July 07 2005. At the time of this writing the date is August 02 2005.
No payment has yet been received on my part for these two most recent transactions. In the last two weeks, i have sent Dustin 3 emails and 3 phone calls, asking for an E.T.A. on the payments, and the possibility of setting up a subscribers list for my quarterly eZine. No reply, as of yet.
I am not quite ready to bail on him just yet, though i am somewhat distressed by the lack of communication. At the same time, i fail to understand how anyone whom has started their own business on a shoestring cannot feel sympathy for others in business whom experience problems.
Recently, i received two complaints from customers, saying that they were unable to pay by paypal when they attempted to purchase my titles through eBookAd.com. While attempting to validate their claims, i accidentally purchased one of my own titles and was charged full price for it, the price being deducted from the amount in my account with eBookAd.com. I notified Dustin of this, again no response.
Today, i stumbled across this page:
http://www.paypalwarning.com/paypal_targets_electronic_publishers_and_authors
which says in short that paypal has apparently frozen Dustins paypal account under circumstances that appear somewhat questionable (as in paypal’s actions in the matter are questionable). This may or may not be an explanation for the delayed payment, but it is not an explanation for the lack of communication with eBookAd’s publishers.
So where does that leave me? I would be happy to get a simple straight answer to the question of how long i should expect it to take to receive my cashouts. I would also like to have Dustin spend a bit more time communicating with me. But at the same time i can understand some of his predicament.
At the end of the day, it boils down to practicality, and i would hate to see the eBookAd.com site fall apart, but if he cant get paid then i cant get paid, and i would have to move to a different distributor for my eBooks whether i wished to or not. I hope Dustin is able to sort this out, as he appears (on the phone) to be a personable sort of fellow.
However, when i have 2 titles in the bestseller list for several months running, i do most certainly expect an answer to my communications. And, i would rather have found out about the problem with paypal through Dustin than through surfing the web. I’m not convinced it is a scam just yet, because if so he would have jumped at the opprotunity to set up a subscriber list for my ezine and collect more money.
Best of luck to you Dustin, but please work on your communications skills, if your communications skills equalled your computer skills, i suspect there would be no problem. For my part, it’s not too late yet, but another coupe of weeks with no payments and no communication, and i will be forced to find alternate services. I would sincerely hate to see that, because overall your site layout and functionality and commision rates are one of the best i have seen.
Sincerely, Jon Logan
I am glad to see publishers coming out in public about this. I have been using ebookad and I have wondered if other publishers were having problems getting paid.
We are owed a substantial amount of money from ebookad and I have lost confidence in them for payments. We are 4 months passed owed THIS time and climbing.
I will be pulling all our titles from ebookad as soon as I have a new setup ready. We have made ebookad quite a bit of money in the past and it is sad that they cannot come to grips with these continuing problems.
Like everyone here I loved the idea of their company and wished to do business with them for years to come, unfortunately I can no longer trust their integrity.
Broken promises of payments (ten days…it is in the mail….soon)
Will not answer emails or phone calls.
I will watch this blog with interest. It is sad, but I also do not intent to let ebookad get away without paying my company all the money it is owed.
Cheryl, Allure books
Hi all,
It is August 16, two weeks from the time of my last post. Still nothing from Dustin, no response. I received one email from John Zakarol on the august 8 which reads
“Dear Mr. Logan,
I am a founding partner of eBookAd but I am not involved with the day to day running of the company. In any case I want to follow up on your concerns and the status of your payments. Could you send me the list of checks you received and the outstanding ones according to your cash out requests.
Thanks,
John Zarakol”
and nothing after that ( i sent him the info he asked for, btw)
so i suppose now i will have to join the growig number of authors and publishers who are pulling their titles from eBookAd.com in response to continuing problems with non-payment of royalties, refusal to communicate with authors/publishers, and breach of contract.
i am open to any suggestions that the rest of you may have in regards to a viable alternate distributor for self-published authors (methysical/altenative health/alternative science subject matter)
Sincerely,
Jon Logan