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		<title>By: http://tinyurl.com/basebryan46687</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1228964</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually tend to go along with almost everything that was authored throughout “Reader asks: Why not use HTML instead of ePub?

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		<title>By: -Andy-</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1224463</link>
		<dc:creator>-Andy-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 04:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Sigil, not Sigma. And it&#039;s free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. Sigil, not Sigma. And it&#8217;s free.</p>
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		<title>By: -Andy-</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1224440</link>
		<dc:creator>-Andy-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think there’s a little bit too much going on in epub-files to be able to edit them quickly&quot;

Well, if you use an ePub editor like Sigma, you don&#039;t have to worry about all of that. Create the ePub file using whatever tool you want (I use a program called eCub to create the basic ePub file (You can feed it txt, html, or xhtml files) and then tweak it with Sigma. The end results work in iBooks, Stanza, and any other epub reader I&#039;ve tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think there’s a little bit too much going on in epub-files to be able to edit them quickly&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if you use an ePub editor like Sigma, you don&#8217;t have to worry about all of that. Create the ePub file using whatever tool you want (I use a program called eCub to create the basic ePub file (You can feed it txt, html, or xhtml files) and then tweak it with Sigma. The end results work in iBooks, Stanza, and any other epub reader I&#8217;ve tried.</p>
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		<title>By: Skirual Kjirliw</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1224404</link>
		<dc:creator>Skirual Kjirliw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love html/css and I like epub, but I think there&#039;s a little bit too much going on in epub-files to be able to edit them quickly with a solid text editor (like Notepad++). mimetype, meta-inf, oebps (content.opf, content.ncx) ... could &#039;ve been reduced to 1 and only 1 clear formatting-file counting for the whole zip/epub. Like a Windows ini file what. How to explain?.. - Just too much going on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love html/css and I like epub, but I think there&#8217;s a little bit too much going on in epub-files to be able to edit them quickly with a solid text editor (like Notepad++). mimetype, meta-inf, oebps (content.opf, content.ncx) &#8230; could &#8216;ve been reduced to 1 and only 1 clear formatting-file counting for the whole zip/epub. Like a Windows ini file what. How to explain?.. &#8211; Just too much going on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leja Medina</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1211605</link>
		<dc:creator>Leja Medina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My website is in basic form on Yahoo Small Busines and confessing I&#039;m not  into all this HTML/XML techdom lingo.  Have to agree with the status quo a child sings to its parent &quot; ... but why?&#039;as to ePUB format.  Now have time to put already written books online.  Thought it would be a leap and bound into online authorship, ... now ePUB. Is there a way around it?  Word 2010 allows save into PDF format, as well as a PDF to ePUB converter.  Is this sufficient, or do I have to learn how to master, HTML/XML in order to move forward?  Please advise and many thanks for the listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My website is in basic form on Yahoo Small Busines and confessing I&#8217;m not  into all this HTML/XML techdom lingo.  Have to agree with the status quo a child sings to its parent &#8221; &#8230; but why?&#8217;as to ePUB format.  Now have time to put already written books online.  Thought it would be a leap and bound into online authorship, &#8230; now ePUB. Is there a way around it?  Word 2010 allows save into PDF format, as well as a PDF to ePUB converter.  Is this sufficient, or do I have to learn how to master, HTML/XML in order to move forward?  Please advise and many thanks for the listen.</p>
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		<title>By: someguy</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1210538</link>
		<dc:creator>someguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Janaka Stevens says:
&gt; March 23, 2009 at 12:10 am
&gt; I would think the main reason for ePub is to facilitate DRM in a flowable format.
AGREE + 1
Everything is about economy. This is why there are so many silly ebook formats other than PDF, HTML, and plain text.

In my honest opinion, with HTML5&#039;s growing mature,  EPUB will be useless except for DRM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Janaka Stevens says:<br />
&gt; March 23, 2009 at 12:10 am<br />
&gt; I would think the main reason for ePub is to facilitate DRM in a flowable format.<br />
AGREE + 1<br />
Everything is about economy. This is why there are so many silly ebook formats other than PDF, HTML, and plain text.</p>
<p>In my honest opinion, with HTML5&#8242;s growing mature,  EPUB will be useless except for DRM.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone asked about a converter from epub to html.  Here is a perl script I wrote to do that, in case anyone wants it:

https://github.com/jric/epubtohtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone asked about a converter from epub to html.  Here is a perl script I wrote to do that, in case anyone wants it:</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/jric/epubtohtml" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/jric/epubtohtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: DensityDuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Miriam:

&quot;Old HTML (pre-frames and pre-CSS) works fine everywhere, even on the most lowly of devices or simplest of web browsers.&quot;

Exactly.  But...

&quot;Sure, people who write bloated, slow-to-view web pages love CSS and a zillion tags at their fingertips...&quot;

And &lt;i&gt;guess who designs ebook readers.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Miriam:</p>
<p>&#8220;Old HTML (pre-frames and pre-CSS) works fine everywhere, even on the most lowly of devices or simplest of web browsers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.  But&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Sure, people who write bloated, slow-to-view web pages love CSS and a zillion tags at their fingertips&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>And <i>guess who designs ebook readers.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Noring</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1169116</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Noring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Miriam&#039;s latest comment is mystifying in that XHTML 1.0 is essentially HTML 4.0 which conforms to the markup rules of XML. That is, XHTML 1.0 does not add anything to the vocabulary. XHTML 1.1 is a little more constrained XHTML 1.0.

Thus, XHTML is NOT inherently more &quot;verbose&quot; than HTML. If one observes &quot;verbosity&quot; in an XHTML document, it is not because it is XHTML, but rather that it is poor markup probably converted from Word -- such verbose markup can be expressed in HTML 4.0 just as easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Miriam&#8217;s latest comment is mystifying in that XHTML 1.0 is essentially HTML 4.0 which conforms to the markup rules of XML. That is, XHTML 1.0 does not add anything to the vocabulary. XHTML 1.1 is a little more constrained XHTML 1.0.</p>
<p>Thus, XHTML is NOT inherently more &#8220;verbose&#8221; than HTML. If one observes &#8220;verbosity&#8221; in an XHTML document, it is not because it is XHTML, but rather that it is poor markup probably converted from Word &#8212; such verbose markup can be expressed in HTML 4.0 just as easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam English</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1169050</link>
		<dc:creator>Miriam English</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing that people constantly parrot this thing about HTML being a tag soup, and XHTML being somehow superior. It is true that XHTML standardises, more or less, but is not really an advantage if it just complicates matters further and encourages ridiculously verbose markup, which it does. Old HTML (pre-frames and pre-CSS) works fine everywhere, even on the most lowly of devices or simplest of web browsers. There is no reason why ebooks should have access to gazillions of formatting possibilities when they will almost never be used*. Sure, people who write bloated, slow-to-view web pages love CSS and a zillion tags at their fingertips, but for ebooks they are simply unnecessary.

There only 2 rationales for epub that I can see: the zip container to carry multiple files (images, etc), and for foisting DRM onto readers. Oh, I guess there is a third rationale: to make sure consultants have a continuing source of income producing ever more complex formats.

The container thing is fine. It is easy to deliver html ebooks as zip files.

The DRM argument should be dead already. Any format that survives any length of time into the future will not have DRM. All locked books are absolutely guaranteed to lock their owners out later.

The consultant thing? I&#039;m kinda okay with them endlessly thinking ever more complex formats, but there really is no reason why we should mindlessly follow them.

There&#039;s one slight exception to the my dismissal to the extra things in XHTML, and that is the possibility of using mathML, SVG and a couple of other such extensions, which would be a good thing. Unfortunately they are still pretty-much vaporware even though the syntax for them is well developed. Commercial markets don&#039;t like non-proprietary formats.

Sadly it all comes back to finding a way to squeeze more money out of the end-users or the publishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing that people constantly parrot this thing about HTML being a tag soup, and XHTML being somehow superior. It is true that XHTML standardises, more or less, but is not really an advantage if it just complicates matters further and encourages ridiculously verbose markup, which it does. Old HTML (pre-frames and pre-CSS) works fine everywhere, even on the most lowly of devices or simplest of web browsers. There is no reason why ebooks should have access to gazillions of formatting possibilities when they will almost never be used*. Sure, people who write bloated, slow-to-view web pages love CSS and a zillion tags at their fingertips, but for ebooks they are simply unnecessary.</p>
<p>There only 2 rationales for epub that I can see: the zip container to carry multiple files (images, etc), and for foisting DRM onto readers. Oh, I guess there is a third rationale: to make sure consultants have a continuing source of income producing ever more complex formats.</p>
<p>The container thing is fine. It is easy to deliver html ebooks as zip files.</p>
<p>The DRM argument should be dead already. Any format that survives any length of time into the future will not have DRM. All locked books are absolutely guaranteed to lock their owners out later.</p>
<p>The consultant thing? I&#8217;m kinda okay with them endlessly thinking ever more complex formats, but there really is no reason why we should mindlessly follow them.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s one slight exception to the my dismissal to the extra things in XHTML, and that is the possibility of using mathML, SVG and a couple of other such extensions, which would be a good thing. Unfortunately they are still pretty-much vaporware even though the syntax for them is well developed. Commercial markets don&#8217;t like non-proprietary formats.</p>
<p>Sadly it all comes back to finding a way to squeeze more money out of the end-users or the publishers.</p>
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		<title>By: LuYu</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1026753</link>
		<dc:creator>LuYu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked yesterday about the availability of zip compression on Android.  Yes, it exists.  However, their broken webkit browser does not access local files &quot;as a matter of policy&quot;, and the browser has no support for zip.  So, basically, a dedicated e-book reader would have to be installed or another web browser just to read files on the local hard drive.  Also, there is no file manager.  That has to be installed as well.

I am very disappointed with Android&#039;s lack of support for basic features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked yesterday about the availability of zip compression on Android.  Yes, it exists.  However, their broken webkit browser does not access local files &#8220;as a matter of policy&#8221;, and the browser has no support for zip.  So, basically, a dedicated e-book reader would have to be installed or another web browser just to read files on the local hard drive.  Also, there is no file manager.  That has to be installed as well.</p>
<p>I am very disappointed with Android&#8217;s lack of support for basic features.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-2/#comment-1026582</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easier to manage one file per book than 25. Imagine if you had to buy 300 separate pieces of paper every time you wanted to buy an ebook. You would quickly misplace page 82 and get the chapters mixed up and accidentally throw away a dozen pages in the trashcan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easier to manage one file per book than 25. Imagine if you had to buy 300 separate pieces of paper every time you wanted to buy an ebook. You would quickly misplace page 82 and get the chapters mixed up and accidentally throw away a dozen pages in the trashcan.</p>
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		<title>By: LuYu</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-1/#comment-1026144</link>
		<dc:creator>LuYu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://libreria.sourceforge.net/library/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Example Books Here&lt;/a&gt;

I know my program is not extremely user friendly.  I would like to get around to creating a GUI someday (is there anybody that would like to help with that?), but for the time being, all one has to do is create a &lt;a href=&quot;http://libreria.sourceforge.net/tag_definition.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gutenberg tag&lt;/a&gt; (named after the site named after the man) and type:
&lt;code&gt;
perl libreria.pl [your book file].txt
&lt;/code&gt;

Depending on the layout of the book (and this varies &lt;b&gt;a lot&lt;/b&gt;!), it should work without much other information and generate a folder named with the title of the book.  If not, it can be told what to look for with HTML style attributes in the gutenberg tag.  The folder can be copied to any device with a web browser that can access local files.  The files should display nicely on any small screen.

As for the zipped files, were those addon programs?  Or was zip a stock feature?  I would really like to see Linux phones include gzip and bzip2 as well as zip.  I would also like to see browsers read archives as folders.  That way, the files could remain as a compressed unit, but be accessed as uncompressed.  On modern phones, the speed difference should be negligible.  That would pretty much eliminate the need for ePUB and dedicated e-book software, though.

Also, the lack of archives makes transferring files from one device to another over Bluetooth difficult.  Since I do a lot of testing, every restriction that costs me time makes things much more difficult.  Not only that, but for Public Domain books, why not have the ability to easily share them with friends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://libreria.sourceforge.net/library/" rel="nofollow">Example Books Here</a></p>
<p>I know my program is not extremely user friendly.  I would like to get around to creating a GUI someday (is there anybody that would like to help with that?), but for the time being, all one has to do is create a <a href="http://libreria.sourceforge.net/tag_definition.html" rel="nofollow">gutenberg tag</a> (named after the site named after the man) and type:<br />
<code><br />
perl libreria.pl [your book file].txt<br />
</code></p>
<p>Depending on the layout of the book (and this varies <b>a lot</b>!), it should work without much other information and generate a folder named with the title of the book.  If not, it can be told what to look for with HTML style attributes in the gutenberg tag.  The folder can be copied to any device with a web browser that can access local files.  The files should display nicely on any small screen.</p>
<p>As for the zipped files, were those addon programs?  Or was zip a stock feature?  I would really like to see Linux phones include gzip and bzip2 as well as zip.  I would also like to see browsers read archives as folders.  That way, the files could remain as a compressed unit, but be accessed as uncompressed.  On modern phones, the speed difference should be negligible.  That would pretty much eliminate the need for ePUB and dedicated e-book software, though.</p>
<p>Also, the lack of archives makes transferring files from one device to another over Bluetooth difficult.  Since I do a lot of testing, every restriction that costs me time makes things much more difficult.  Not only that, but for Public Domain books, why not have the ability to easily share them with friends?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-1/#comment-1026005</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LuYu Says: &quot;(that is why my program converts text files to HTML)&quot;

Not having used your script, what variety of HTML does it generate? As discussed above, XHTML 1.1 would be a good guide to follow, as you get clean, unambiguous code. I&#039;m not setup for Perl right now - how about posting a link to a sample of your script&#039;s output for the curious?

LuYu Says: &quot;I have never seen a device, PDA, or phone that had the ability to access zip or any other type of archives.&quot;

There were Zip utilities for PDAs at least ten years ago. Also, uBook has had the ability to handle Zipped ebooks for as long as I remember. Not owning a PDA any more, I no longer use uBook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LuYu Says: &#8220;(that is why my program converts text files to HTML)&#8221;</p>
<p>Not having used your script, what variety of HTML does it generate? As discussed above, XHTML 1.1 would be a good guide to follow, as you get clean, unambiguous code. I&#8217;m not setup for Perl right now &#8211; how about posting a link to a sample of your script&#8217;s output for the curious?</p>
<p>LuYu Says: &#8220;I have never seen a device, PDA, or phone that had the ability to access zip or any other type of archives.&#8221;</p>
<p>There were Zip utilities for PDAs at least ten years ago. Also, uBook has had the ability to handle Zipped ebooks for as long as I remember. Not owning a PDA any more, I no longer use uBook.</p>
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		<title>By: LuYu</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/why-not-use-html-instead-of-epub/comment-page-1/#comment-1025825</link>
		<dc:creator>LuYu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to add that I agree that HTML is probably the most versatile and widely available format for e-books (that is why my program converts text files to HTML).  However, the qualities of mobile browsers vary greatly.

In my experience, Opera is the best.  NetFront and Ericsson&#039;s stock browser are usable but lack important things such as non-Roman encodings and fonts with special characters.  All three of these browsers have the ability to constrain text to the available screen width.

Bad mobile browsers are: minimo (does not work, really), Konq-e and other webkit browsers -- including Safari from what I have seen (lack ability to constrain text), Android&#039;s browser (also webkit), and PocketIE (sssllloooww).  Except for PocketIE, none of these browsers can access the local disk (Android&#039;s browser actually refuses to reconise file:/// links!!), so if you wanted to save your HTML e-books to your memory and read it from your phone, you are out of luck.

I have never seen a device, PDA, or phone that had the ability to access zip or any other type of archives.  This is unfortunate because transferring files as a unit is always nice.  If this feature existed, I doubt very much that dedicated e-book software would even be needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to add that I agree that HTML is probably the most versatile and widely available format for e-books (that is why my program converts text files to HTML).  However, the qualities of mobile browsers vary greatly.</p>
<p>In my experience, Opera is the best.  NetFront and Ericsson&#8217;s stock browser are usable but lack important things such as non-Roman encodings and fonts with special characters.  All three of these browsers have the ability to constrain text to the available screen width.</p>
<p>Bad mobile browsers are: minimo (does not work, really), Konq-e and other webkit browsers &#8212; including Safari from what I have seen (lack ability to constrain text), Android&#8217;s browser (also webkit), and PocketIE (sssllloooww).  Except for PocketIE, none of these browsers can access the local disk (Android&#8217;s browser actually refuses to reconise file:/// links!!), so if you wanted to save your HTML e-books to your memory and read it from your phone, you are out of luck.</p>
<p>I have never seen a device, PDA, or phone that had the ability to access zip or any other type of archives.  This is unfortunate because transferring files as a unit is always nice.  If this feature existed, I doubt very much that dedicated e-book software would even be needed.</p>
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