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	<title>Comments on: Valve&#8217;s Steam system converts video game pirates into consumers</title>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/valves-steam-system-converts-video-game-pirates-into-consumers/comment-page-1/#comment-1201504</link>
		<dc:creator>troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 10:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha to trolling =D

Anyways, as much as I love steam I hate it. I can install non steam boxed set games without online drm to my laptop and play a different boxed set on my desktop. Cant do that with steam. Once you are logged in you are screwed on the other machine. I have over 100 steam games, 3 laptops 2 desktops and a server. So just because you are poor and can only afford one device well it shouldn&#039;t affect the rest of us who want to &#039;obey&#039; steams crap rules of having only one account. But I tell ya, running your own mail server is one easy way of creating and keeping track of many steam accounts ;D 1 game per account tracked in a db. or howabout starcraft2@myserver.com will log ya in to ya steam account just for starcraft ;P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha to trolling =D</p>
<p>Anyways, as much as I love steam I hate it. I can install non steam boxed set games without online drm to my laptop and play a different boxed set on my desktop. Cant do that with steam. Once you are logged in you are screwed on the other machine. I have over 100 steam games, 3 laptops 2 desktops and a server. So just because you are poor and can only afford one device well it shouldn&#8217;t affect the rest of us who want to &#8216;obey&#8217; steams crap rules of having only one account. But I tell ya, running your own mail server is one easy way of creating and keeping track of many steam accounts ;D 1 game per account tracked in a db. or howabout <a href="mailto:starcraft2@myserver.com">starcraft2@myserver.com</a> will log ya in to ya steam account just for starcraft ;P</p>
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		<title>By: Wolvenmoon</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/valves-steam-system-converts-video-game-pirates-into-consumers/comment-page-1/#comment-1173939</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolvenmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When steam implements reselling games that you already own, or family licensing ( I.E. xbox 360 allows 4 players at once, steam should allow a household or single IP address as many simultaneous copies as they want ) I&#039;ll like it.

Until then, piracy is just the smarter thing to do for a consumer that wants full access to software. Perhaps if cracking DRM wasn&#039;t as much of a crime as downloading the illegal software I would feel differently, but under this &#039;damned if you do anything&#039; methodology, I find myself choosing to just leave hell to its own devices.

Meaning: I am a lost customer who does not pirate because these companies are putting me in between my morality and intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When steam implements reselling games that you already own, or family licensing ( I.E. xbox 360 allows 4 players at once, steam should allow a household or single IP address as many simultaneous copies as they want ) I&#8217;ll like it.</p>
<p>Until then, piracy is just the smarter thing to do for a consumer that wants full access to software. Perhaps if cracking DRM wasn&#8217;t as much of a crime as downloading the illegal software I would feel differently, but under this &#8216;damned if you do anything&#8217; methodology, I find myself choosing to just leave hell to its own devices.</p>
<p>Meaning: I am a lost customer who does not pirate because these companies are putting me in between my morality and intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/valves-steam-system-converts-video-game-pirates-into-consumers/comment-page-1/#comment-1172444</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 05:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@scarybandit - actually, you cannot take a DVD anywhere in the world and play it in your friend&#039;s house. DVDs have country/region specific encoding and makers of DVD players must include code to recognise the location restrictions and not allow a &quot;foreign&quot; DVD to play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@scarybandit &#8211; actually, you cannot take a DVD anywhere in the world and play it in your friend&#8217;s house. DVDs have country/region specific encoding and makers of DVD players must include code to recognise the location restrictions and not allow a &#8220;foreign&#8221; DVD to play.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/valves-steam-system-converts-video-game-pirates-into-consumers/comment-page-1/#comment-1172400</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 22:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Play nice, children. Don&#039;t make me turn this blog around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Play nice, children. Don&#8217;t make me turn this blog around.</p>
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		<title>By: DensityDuck</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/valves-steam-system-converts-video-game-pirates-into-consumers/comment-page-1/#comment-1172386</link>
		<dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@scarybandit:  ...it&#039;s like you&#039;re complaining that you can&#039;t play the same DVD on two different players at once.

...on two different players at once.

...AT ONCE.

Do you get the analogy now, or are you too retarded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@scarybandit:  &#8230;it&#8217;s like you&#8217;re complaining that you can&#8217;t play the same DVD on two different players at once.</p>
<p>&#8230;on two different players at once.</p>
<p>&#8230;AT ONCE.</p>
<p>Do you get the analogy now, or are you too retarded?</p>
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		<title>By: scarybandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>scarybandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some ppl like steam, enjoy it... for me it&#039;s pointless and removes the second hand market for any purchaser...

density duck&#039;s analogy is retarded. you can take a dvd to a friend&#039;s house in another country and play it in any dvd player you want... steam specifically restricts that. thank you for helping prove the point though.

you want drm free or steam free convenience, the publishers are making piracy the easiest option. even the vpn servers are free these days: http://itshidden.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some ppl like steam, enjoy it&#8230; for me it&#8217;s pointless and removes the second hand market for any purchaser&#8230;</p>
<p>density duck&#8217;s analogy is retarded. you can take a dvd to a friend&#8217;s house in another country and play it in any dvd player you want&#8230; steam specifically restricts that. thank you for helping prove the point though.</p>
<p>you want drm free or steam free convenience, the publishers are making piracy the easiest option. even the vpn servers are free these days: <a href="http://itshidden.com/" rel="nofollow">http://itshidden.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: DensityDuck</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/valves-steam-system-converts-video-game-pirates-into-consumers/comment-page-1/#comment-1172134</link>
		<dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frode: ...it&#039;s like you&#039;re complaining that you can&#039;t play the same DVD on two different players at once.

If the price of having Steam is that I have to stop playing the game on (computer 1) before I can install it or play it on (computer 2) then by damn I&#039;ll pay that price &lt;i&gt;gladly!&lt;/i&gt;

@Binko:  Personally, I don&#039;t even think it&#039;s the price.  Yeah, Steam has a lot of cheap stuff, but the first-run stuff is just as expensive.  The issue is &lt;i&gt;convenience&lt;/i&gt;--I want, I click, I have.  As the letter-writer in the article points out, he just didn&#039;t want to get up and go to the store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frode: &#8230;it&#8217;s like you&#8217;re complaining that you can&#8217;t play the same DVD on two different players at once.</p>
<p>If the price of having Steam is that I have to stop playing the game on (computer 1) before I can install it or play it on (computer 2) then by damn I&#8217;ll pay that price <i>gladly!</i></p>
<p>@Binko:  Personally, I don&#8217;t even think it&#8217;s the price.  Yeah, Steam has a lot of cheap stuff, but the first-run stuff is just as expensive.  The issue is <i>convenience</i>&#8211;I want, I click, I have.  As the letter-writer in the article points out, he just didn&#8217;t want to get up and go to the store.</p>
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		<title>By: Frode Aleksandersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frode Aleksandersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, but you shouldn&#039;t have to. The use case i was referring to in particular happened when I was preparing my laptop for travel. DRM is still DRM and it inflicts limits on how you can use the software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but you shouldn&#8217;t have to. The use case i was referring to in particular happened when I was preparing my laptop for travel. DRM is still DRM and it inflicts limits on how you can use the software.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/valves-steam-system-converts-video-game-pirates-into-consumers/comment-page-1/#comment-1172105</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 07:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frode, that puts me in mind of that old joke, &quot;Doctor, it hurts when I do this.&quot; &quot;So don&#039;t do that!&quot;

Wanting to access Steam on two machines at once is a rare enough situation for me that I&#039;ve run into it a time or two but not often.

If I want to download something to my laptop, I&#039;ll just do it overnight or some other time when I&#039;m not interested in playing on my main computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frode, that puts me in mind of that old joke, &#8220;Doctor, it hurts when I do this.&#8221; &#8220;So don&#8217;t do that!&#8221;</p>
<p>Wanting to access Steam on two machines at once is a rare enough situation for me that I&#8217;ve run into it a time or two but not often.</p>
<p>If I want to download something to my laptop, I&#8217;ll just do it overnight or some other time when I&#8217;m not interested in playing on my main computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Frode Aleksandersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frode Aleksandersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 00:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but the DRM does get in the way. Ever tried downloading/installing a game on say a laptop, while playing a game on your desktop? You need two separate accounts for it to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but the DRM does get in the way. Ever tried downloading/installing a game on say a laptop, while playing a game on your desktop? You need two separate accounts for it to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Binko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 00:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steam is incredible. I hardly play computer games anymore. But sometimes I&#039;ll buy a game on Steam just because it&#039;s so cheap and convenient. 

Yesterday my wife was bored so I installed Steam and told her to browse the casual game section. She ended up buying a small collection of Popcap games and was happily playing in minutes. 

Steam understands the crux of the digital age. The world is swimming in media and media must be sold very cheap. But people still enjoy buying stuff. So make digital media cheap and easy to buy and people will still spend a ton of money. 

I&#039;ve said before, when ebooks cost ten bucks each I won&#039;t buy any. Instead I&#039;ll search out free books. But if ebooks cost one buck each I&#039;d probably buy twenty or thirty a month. Ebook publishers COULD have $300 bucks a year from me. But, as it stands they have nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steam is incredible. I hardly play computer games anymore. But sometimes I&#8217;ll buy a game on Steam just because it&#8217;s so cheap and convenient. </p>
<p>Yesterday my wife was bored so I installed Steam and told her to browse the casual game section. She ended up buying a small collection of Popcap games and was happily playing in minutes. </p>
<p>Steam understands the crux of the digital age. The world is swimming in media and media must be sold very cheap. But people still enjoy buying stuff. So make digital media cheap and easy to buy and people will still spend a ton of money. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said before, when ebooks cost ten bucks each I won&#8217;t buy any. Instead I&#8217;ll search out free books. But if ebooks cost one buck each I&#8217;d probably buy twenty or thirty a month. Ebook publishers COULD have $300 bucks a year from me. But, as it stands they have nothing.</p>
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