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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/the-failure-of-publishers-to-connect-with-buyers/comment-page-1/#comment-1156925</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Books have always been associated with their physical appearance. It was obvious that a hardcover was more expensive – it had, well, hard covers, a dust jacket and larger type. For the customer this was explanation enough, the book crowd knew that the real rationale for the price difference is another one (the fixed costs: editing, proofing, book design), but naturally nobody cared about spilling the beans.
Small wonder that the customer now demands lower prices for ebooks (no hard cover, no dust jacket … at least it has larger type) and the publishers aren’t able to justify their motivation for higher prices, even if it is the same as it always was. 
That’s some catch, that Catch-22…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Books have always been associated with their physical appearance. It was obvious that a hardcover was more expensive – it had, well, hard covers, a dust jacket and larger type. For the customer this was explanation enough, the book crowd knew that the real rationale for the price difference is another one (the fixed costs: editing, proofing, book design), but naturally nobody cared about spilling the beans.<br />
Small wonder that the customer now demands lower prices for ebooks (no hard cover, no dust jacket … at least it has larger type) and the publishers aren’t able to justify their motivation for higher prices, even if it is the same as it always was.<br />
That’s some catch, that Catch-22…</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Preece, Publisher</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/the-failure-of-publishers-to-connect-with-buyers/comment-page-1/#comment-1156866</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Preece, Publisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that many publishers haven&#039;t communicated clearly on price (I think I have but I&#039;m not exactly one of the conglomerates who rule the publishing world). 

Returns really aren&#039;t as big a problem in the world of hardbacks, though. Unlike mass market paper, where books are stripped and destroyed, hardbacks are sent back and remaindered (this is where those sales books on the Barnes and Noble racks come from). If the cost of a hardback is $1.50, even remaindered returns are break-even, so the full cost of the printing is pretty much the $1.50. So, an eBook earning equal profit to the hardback should come in a bit less than $1.50 less than that hardback (a bit less because the $1.50 doesn&#039;t include shipping costs...let&#039;s say, another $0.50 per book). 

For small publishers like me, who use print on demand technology, costs are higher and returns are a huge issue (for those small publishers who accept returns). Which is why I charge so much less for eBooks than for paper. 

Isn&#039;t entitlement an interesting word, by the way. It seems to have become co-opted into political speech. Entitlement is what your opponents think people deserve. What you think they deserve is rights. In my opinion, customers are completely rational to look for lower prices. If Wal-Mart charges $10 for the same jeans you can buy somewhere else for $20, why shouldn&#039;t you shop at Wal-Mart. Authors are also completely rational to hope for higher royalties. Who would hope for lower royalties, after all. Price is a compromise between what buyers are willing to pay and what sellers are willing to take. It just doesn&#039;t seem to me to have a huge moral component (except in cases of national disaster, etc. where it&#039;s tacky to charge a fortune for fresh water, for example).

Rob Preece
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that many publishers haven&#8217;t communicated clearly on price (I think I have but I&#8217;m not exactly one of the conglomerates who rule the publishing world). </p>
<p>Returns really aren&#8217;t as big a problem in the world of hardbacks, though. Unlike mass market paper, where books are stripped and destroyed, hardbacks are sent back and remaindered (this is where those sales books on the Barnes and Noble racks come from). If the cost of a hardback is $1.50, even remaindered returns are break-even, so the full cost of the printing is pretty much the $1.50. So, an eBook earning equal profit to the hardback should come in a bit less than $1.50 less than that hardback (a bit less because the $1.50 doesn&#8217;t include shipping costs&#8230;let&#8217;s say, another $0.50 per book). </p>
<p>For small publishers like me, who use print on demand technology, costs are higher and returns are a huge issue (for those small publishers who accept returns). Which is why I charge so much less for eBooks than for paper. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t entitlement an interesting word, by the way. It seems to have become co-opted into political speech. Entitlement is what your opponents think people deserve. What you think they deserve is rights. In my opinion, customers are completely rational to look for lower prices. If Wal-Mart charges $10 for the same jeans you can buy somewhere else for $20, why shouldn&#8217;t you shop at Wal-Mart. Authors are also completely rational to hope for higher royalties. Who would hope for lower royalties, after all. Price is a compromise between what buyers are willing to pay and what sellers are willing to take. It just doesn&#8217;t seem to me to have a huge moral component (except in cases of national disaster, etc. where it&#8217;s tacky to charge a fortune for fresh water, for example).</p>
<p>Rob Preece<br />
Publisher</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/the-failure-of-publishers-to-connect-with-buyers/comment-page-1/#comment-1156816</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely an interesting perspective on the &quot;real price&quot;.  I do agree with him that the publishers have done a lousy job communicating on this one, but I can&#039;t help but think that is because they know they don&#039;t have a good message.  If they try to justify how an ebook shouldn&#039;t be significantly cheaper it just opens the can of worms around the whole current publishing model with production runs, returns, etc.  They then reveal how selling of ebooks at higher costs help offset screwed up production models on print books and could cause even greater ebook backlash.  It will be interesting to read the Harvard Business Review case study on this in a few years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely an interesting perspective on the &#8220;real price&#8221;.  I do agree with him that the publishers have done a lousy job communicating on this one, but I can&#8217;t help but think that is because they know they don&#8217;t have a good message.  If they try to justify how an ebook shouldn&#8217;t be significantly cheaper it just opens the can of worms around the whole current publishing model with production runs, returns, etc.  They then reveal how selling of ebooks at higher costs help offset screwed up production models on print books and could cause even greater ebook backlash.  It will be interesting to read the Harvard Business Review case study on this in a few years!</p>
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		<title>By: Nico Vreeland</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/the-failure-of-publishers-to-connect-with-buyers/comment-page-1/#comment-1156812</link>
		<dc:creator>Nico Vreeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul -- Thanks for the link and congrats on the Napco sale. Keep up the good work with your new management. 

Rich -- Teleread and others have definitely covered that ground before. My post was more about my own indignation at this hack Preston calling his readers &quot;entitled&quot; for using basic common sense.

Bill -- I agree. I really think Macmillan&#039;s making a mistake. But Amazon made a bigger one with the way they handled it.

PilotBob -- I know, right? Preston sounds like a spoiled little kid. 

Elizabeth -- That&#039;s a good point. I do think Amazon has good intentions. It&#039;s just their execution is so entirely hamfisted sometimes. Makes it very hard to like them.

Bruce, HeavyG, Sandir -- Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8212; Thanks for the link and congrats on the Napco sale. Keep up the good work with your new management. </p>
<p>Rich &#8212; Teleread and others have definitely covered that ground before. My post was more about my own indignation at this hack Preston calling his readers &#8220;entitled&#8221; for using basic common sense.</p>
<p>Bill &#8212; I agree. I really think Macmillan&#8217;s making a mistake. But Amazon made a bigger one with the way they handled it.</p>
<p>PilotBob &#8212; I know, right? Preston sounds like a spoiled little kid. </p>
<p>Elizabeth &#8212; That&#8217;s a good point. I do think Amazon has good intentions. It&#8217;s just their execution is so entirely hamfisted sometimes. Makes it very hard to like them.</p>
<p>Bruce, HeavyG, Sandir &#8212; Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny we keep hearing how entitled we are supposed to be acting yet publishers don&#039;t even think we are entitled to well-formatted ebooks free of typos.

If publishers had said they were raising the price of ebooks to improve quality or pay the authors higher royalties I would have no problem with paying more for ebooks.

Instead every time I see a higher-priced ebook from one of the big six publishers I will remember the contempt those in the publishing world have for their customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny we keep hearing how entitled we are supposed to be acting yet publishers don&#8217;t even think we are entitled to well-formatted ebooks free of typos.</p>
<p>If publishers had said they were raising the price of ebooks to improve quality or pay the authors higher royalties I would have no problem with paying more for ebooks.</p>
<p>Instead every time I see a higher-priced ebook from one of the big six publishers I will remember the contempt those in the publishing world have for their customers.</p>
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		<title>By: HeavyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeavyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;“The sense of entitlement of the American consumer is absolutely astonishing,” said Douglas Preston,...&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Actually, the real sense of entitlement is being displayed by Preston (and other authors and publishers) who feel that their customers have an OBLIGATION to pay them whatever amount of money they ask for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;“The sense of entitlement of the American consumer is absolutely astonishing,” said Douglas Preston,&#8230;</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, the real sense of entitlement is being displayed by Preston (and other authors and publishers) who feel that their customers have an OBLIGATION to pay them whatever amount of money they ask for.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last time a company took the approach of &quot;The customer is our enemy:&quot; 

Enron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time a company took the approach of &#8220;The customer is our enemy:&#8221; </p>
<p>Enron.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Burton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before releasing the Kindle, Amazon seeded staff on numerous forums and email lists dedicated to ebooks and ebook readers. They &quot;listened&quot; and took notes. They heard that the people who have been reading ebooks for a decade will NOT pay full print book prices for them. Ever.

Not a single mainstream publisher, to my knowledge, ever bothered to do that. For most of that decade, they dismissed ebooks as not having any real economic future--and did so even after their sales percentages began growing in double digits.

Small wonder that, having slept through the revolution, they are now trying to reverse progress and force ebooks to fit into their antiquated business model--new wine in old bottles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before releasing the Kindle, Amazon seeded staff on numerous forums and email lists dedicated to ebooks and ebook readers. They &#8220;listened&#8221; and took notes. They heard that the people who have been reading ebooks for a decade will NOT pay full print book prices for them. Ever.</p>
<p>Not a single mainstream publisher, to my knowledge, ever bothered to do that. For most of that decade, they dismissed ebooks as not having any real economic future&#8211;and did so even after their sales percentages began growing in double digits.</p>
<p>Small wonder that, having slept through the revolution, they are now trying to reverse progress and force ebooks to fit into their antiquated business model&#8211;new wine in old bottles.</p>
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		<title>By: PilotBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>PilotBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s this notion of not wanting to pay the real price of something.”

I&#039;m sorry what? That quote from Preston proves that he knows nothing about economics. The &quot;real price&quot; of something is what the buyer is willing to pay. 

for example, when you list your house at $300,000 that is not the &quot;real&quot; price. The &quot;real&quot; price is what you sell it at.

You can price your books at $30 all day long thinking that is the &quot;real&quot; price. But, if no one buys it at that price you&#039;ve actually proven that ISN&#039;T the real price.

BTW: My personal threshold for an ebook is $10. Anything over that I will just wait. There are plenty of great ebooks priced under $10 that I will happily buy and read.

BOb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s this notion of not wanting to pay the real price of something.”</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry what? That quote from Preston proves that he knows nothing about economics. The &#8220;real price&#8221; of something is what the buyer is willing to pay. </p>
<p>for example, when you list your house at $300,000 that is not the &#8220;real&#8221; price. The &#8220;real&#8221; price is what you sell it at.</p>
<p>You can price your books at $30 all day long thinking that is the &#8220;real&#8221; price. But, if no one buys it at that price you&#8217;ve actually proven that ISN&#8217;T the real price.</p>
<p>BTW: My personal threshold for an ebook is $10. Anything over that I will just wait. There are plenty of great ebooks priced under $10 that I will happily buy and read.</p>
<p>BOb</p>
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		<title>By: Bill McHale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill McHale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the funny thing is, the agent model effectively removes the bookseller as their customer.  I wonder if Macmillan realized that by forcing Amazon to raise prices, they are not only pissing off Amazon but very likely their new direct customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the funny thing is, the agent model effectively removes the bookseller as their customer.  I wonder if Macmillan realized that by forcing Amazon to raise prices, they are not only pissing off Amazon but very likely their new direct customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Adin</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/the-failure-of-publishers-to-connect-with-buyers/comment-page-1/#comment-1156791</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Adin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I hope you left a comment at Vreeland&#039;s site indicating he&#039;s a little slow on the draw :). There have been several Teleread and An American Editor articles on publishers&#039; silence within the past few weeks. Hopefully Vreeland pointed to Teleread in his article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I hope you left a comment at Vreeland&#8217;s site indicating he&#8217;s a little slow on the draw <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . There have been several Teleread and An American Editor articles on publishers&#8217; silence within the past few weeks. Hopefully Vreeland pointed to Teleread in his article.</p>
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