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	<title>Comments on: Amazon Kindle International &#8211; publishers screw readers again</title>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Spain. I have a kindle. If I travel to the US I can&#039;t buy books in the US that are not available from Spain, but are available for the US market.

Great. Publishers are blind and are replicating business models that have shown with the music that are completely out of sync. with their customers. 

If obtaining content for your device is difficult, cumbersome and somehow expensive, then we are opening the doors to Piracy. If piracy goes in, then forget it, the cost of the content will depreciate to 0(as in music or movies).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Spain. I have a kindle. If I travel to the US I can&#8217;t buy books in the US that are not available from Spain, but are available for the US market.</p>
<p>Great. Publishers are blind and are replicating business models that have shown with the music that are completely out of sync. with their customers. </p>
<p>If obtaining content for your device is difficult, cumbersome and somehow expensive, then we are opening the doors to Piracy. If piracy goes in, then forget it, the cost of the content will depreciate to 0(as in music or movies).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. It&#039;s 2009 and people still believe in this &quot;with the Internet we don&#039;t need publishers&quot; crap? I&#039;m amazed. 

Moving on, I live in Brazil and just got my Kindle a few days ago. I&#039;m loving it and, because of it, I started buying books for it. I&#039;ve been buying books from Amazon for more than 10 years now; to be able to buy a book and get it immediately, without waiting weeks for shipping (and without paying for shipping) is a definite plus. 

The downer is that I noticed that for a lot of authors that I like there are no books available in my region, although they are available for the Kindle in the US. Orhan Pamuk, Haruki Murakami and Jonathan Lethem being just three examples on the top of my head. It&#039;s just annoying. 

I just hope that authors, publishers and retailers figure this out so these restrictions are lifted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. It&#8217;s 2009 and people still believe in this &#8220;with the Internet we don&#8217;t need publishers&#8221; crap? I&#8217;m amazed. </p>
<p>Moving on, I live in Brazil and just got my Kindle a few days ago. I&#8217;m loving it and, because of it, I started buying books for it. I&#8217;ve been buying books from Amazon for more than 10 years now; to be able to buy a book and get it immediately, without waiting weeks for shipping (and without paying for shipping) is a definite plus. </p>
<p>The downer is that I noticed that for a lot of authors that I like there are no books available in my region, although they are available for the Kindle in the US. Orhan Pamuk, Haruki Murakami and Jonathan Lethem being just three examples on the top of my head. It&#8217;s just annoying. </p>
<p>I just hope that authors, publishers and retailers figure this out so these restrictions are lifted.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of small markets, such as Australia, rely on licensing overseas rights to help supplement their publication of local titles. So basically, if any publisher could make their books available worldwide this would kill smaller industries like Aus and Canada. You would then only be able to read books published by the big publishers from UK and the US.

It also works in reverse. If you are an American and want to buy an e-book, say the new Tim Winton novel, how did you find out about this book in the first place? From the American publisher, yeah. So, if you lived in America and the only publisher who owns the rights is the Australian Publisher, you would never even hear of the book because the Australian publisher can&#039;t afford to market in America. This novel would never see the light of day overseas. It&#039;s international rights sales that ensures there is the appropriate amount of marketing and support behind a book and an author. 

And to all of you naive people bashing the publishing industry and calling publishers stupid, 
get some perspective. Books (e- or p-) don&#039;t just drop out of the sky, perfectly written, edited and formatted for your consumption. Have a think about what you would be reading if there were no publishers.

And yes, in the interests of full disclosure, I do work in the publishing industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of small markets, such as Australia, rely on licensing overseas rights to help supplement their publication of local titles. So basically, if any publisher could make their books available worldwide this would kill smaller industries like Aus and Canada. You would then only be able to read books published by the big publishers from UK and the US.</p>
<p>It also works in reverse. If you are an American and want to buy an e-book, say the new Tim Winton novel, how did you find out about this book in the first place? From the American publisher, yeah. So, if you lived in America and the only publisher who owns the rights is the Australian Publisher, you would never even hear of the book because the Australian publisher can&#8217;t afford to market in America. This novel would never see the light of day overseas. It&#8217;s international rights sales that ensures there is the appropriate amount of marketing and support behind a book and an author. </p>
<p>And to all of you naive people bashing the publishing industry and calling publishers stupid,<br />
get some perspective. Books (e- or p-) don&#8217;t just drop out of the sky, perfectly written, edited and formatted for your consumption. Have a think about what you would be reading if there were no publishers.</p>
<p>And yes, in the interests of full disclosure, I do work in the publishing industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,

Great idea. I will encourage authors to comment. Meanwhile, I&#039;ll explain that agents have traditionally held back territorial rights on behalf of their authors because they&#039;ve been able to earn more money selling those rights to different publishers directly, rather than selling world rights to one publisher and hoping that the publisher will do a good job of sub-licensing them. Here&#039;s the good (anecdotal) news: I&#039;m seeing more and more cases where authors and agents grant world rights to the originating publisher in order to take advantage of digital opportunities. That doesn&#039;t help with backlist issues, but I hope it will help with frontlist and forthcoming titles. 
Most readers don&#039;t care about these details -- naturally, we just want to get books and read them. But many of us turn to forums like this one so that we can gain a deeper understanding of the evolution of publishing, both e- and p-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>Great idea. I will encourage authors to comment. Meanwhile, I&#8217;ll explain that agents have traditionally held back territorial rights on behalf of their authors because they&#8217;ve been able to earn more money selling those rights to different publishers directly, rather than selling world rights to one publisher and hoping that the publisher will do a good job of sub-licensing them. Here&#8217;s the good (anecdotal) news: I&#8217;m seeing more and more cases where authors and agents grant world rights to the originating publisher in order to take advantage of digital opportunities. That doesn&#8217;t help with backlist issues, but I hope it will help with frontlist and forthcoming titles.<br />
Most readers don&#8217;t care about these details &#8212; naturally, we just want to get books and read them. But many of us turn to forums like this one so that we can gain a deeper understanding of the evolution of publishing, both e- and p-.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse,

All we, as customers who want to legally purchase and not steal ebooks, can do is point out the apparent idiocy of imposing geographical restrictions on their sale - particularly when it does not apply to pbooks.

So, to enlighten us further, why don&#039;t invite one of your authors onto Teleread? It would be fascinating to understand why they want to restrict sales of their books and earn less money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse,</p>
<p>All we, as customers who want to legally purchase and not steal ebooks, can do is point out the apparent idiocy of imposing geographical restrictions on their sale &#8211; particularly when it does not apply to pbooks.</p>
<p>So, to enlighten us further, why don&#8217;t invite one of your authors onto Teleread? It would be fascinating to understand why they want to restrict sales of their books and earn less money.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tamas,

$250 will get you around 4 Australian hardback books new.  I can easily read that in a day if I really really want to.  Throw in a paperback with the change.

Haven&#039;t seen any tech that only lasts a day on average!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tamas,</p>
<p>$250 will get you around 4 Australian hardback books new.  I can easily read that in a day if I really really want to.  Throw in a paperback with the change.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t seen any tech that only lasts a day on average!</p>
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		<title>By: ficbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>ficbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I enjoy following TeleRead but would enjoy it even more if its tone were less adversarial and its writers better informed on book industry practices.&quot;

And *I* would enjoy it more if the publishers were willing to sell books to everyone at fair prices and if they were *better informed* on their customers needs...

The problem is, you are thinking about technical and logistical reasons why you do a certain thing, and the customers are thinking in common sense and those are not always the same thing. For example, I remember when the dollar was at par and the Canadian customers started buying books in the US because they were so much cheaper. The Canadian publishers did a big editorial in the Globe and Mail explaining why the books were more expensive and urging the customers to be patriotic and buy the more expensive ones. Now, put on your &#039;customer&#039; hat for a second and think like a logical, rational person. &#039;You can pay $25 for this or you can pay $11. Will you consider voluntarily choosing to pay $25?&#039; Um, no. What average person would?

If you want to sell to customers, you have to offer them *both* a product they want *and* a price they are willing to pay. If you don&#039;t, you won&#039;t sell, your business will die, and it will have nothing to do with &quot;pirates&quot; or any such nonsense. If you currently cannot or will not a) offer the product and b) do so at a price your customer is willing to pay, you need to streamline your business model and cut costs so that it&#039;s viable for you to do so. The writers here being more &#039;informed&#039; or less informed will not change this basic economic truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I enjoy following TeleRead but would enjoy it even more if its tone were less adversarial and its writers better informed on book industry practices.&#8221;</p>
<p>And *I* would enjoy it more if the publishers were willing to sell books to everyone at fair prices and if they were *better informed* on their customers needs&#8230;</p>
<p>The problem is, you are thinking about technical and logistical reasons why you do a certain thing, and the customers are thinking in common sense and those are not always the same thing. For example, I remember when the dollar was at par and the Canadian customers started buying books in the US because they were so much cheaper. The Canadian publishers did a big editorial in the Globe and Mail explaining why the books were more expensive and urging the customers to be patriotic and buy the more expensive ones. Now, put on your &#8216;customer&#8217; hat for a second and think like a logical, rational person. &#8216;You can pay $25 for this or you can pay $11. Will you consider voluntarily choosing to pay $25?&#8217; Um, no. What average person would?</p>
<p>If you want to sell to customers, you have to offer them *both* a product they want *and* a price they are willing to pay. If you don&#8217;t, you won&#8217;t sell, your business will die, and it will have nothing to do with &#8220;pirates&#8221; or any such nonsense. If you currently cannot or will not a) offer the product and b) do so at a price your customer is willing to pay, you need to streamline your business model and cut costs so that it&#8217;s viable for you to do so. The writers here being more &#8216;informed&#8217; or less informed will not change this basic economic truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamas Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamas Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Felix

Just consider how many books you can buy for 250$
If you like the readability of paper so much... buy a paper book.

By the time you finish reading 250$ worth of books your fancy ereader will be a piece of junk

These things are way too pricey.

I read tons of stuff every day and stopped using the PRS-500 because I cannot get content on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Felix</p>
<p>Just consider how many books you can buy for 250$<br />
If you like the readability of paper so much&#8230; buy a paper book.</p>
<p>By the time you finish reading 250$ worth of books your fancy ereader will be a piece of junk</p>
<p>These things are way too pricey.</p>
<p>I read tons of stuff every day and stopped using the PRS-500 because I cannot get content on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse F.</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/amazon-kindle-international-publishers-screw-readers-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1146640</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul: Your article is misleading, and your headline is just wrong. As Chris Meadows points out, publishers can only exercise rights that their authors have granted them in the first place. Most publishers (big and small) prefer to acquire world rights (print and digital), but most agents, and some authors, withhold certain territories and therefore restrict the publisher&#039;s international sales opportunities. When publishers refrain from selling their books in other countries, they&#039;re honoring their contractual obligations to authors.

I work at a publishing house. If you could convince all of our authors to grant us world rights so that we could sell their e- and p-books with no territorial restrictions, I&#039;d hire you in a heartbeat!

I enjoy following TeleRead but would enjoy it even more if its tone were less adversarial and its writers better informed on book industry practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul: Your article is misleading, and your headline is just wrong. As Chris Meadows points out, publishers can only exercise rights that their authors have granted them in the first place. Most publishers (big and small) prefer to acquire world rights (print and digital), but most agents, and some authors, withhold certain territories and therefore restrict the publisher&#8217;s international sales opportunities. When publishers refrain from selling their books in other countries, they&#8217;re honoring their contractual obligations to authors.</p>
<p>I work at a publishing house. If you could convince all of our authors to grant us world rights so that we could sell their e- and p-books with no territorial restrictions, I&#8217;d hire you in a heartbeat!</p>
<p>I enjoy following TeleRead but would enjoy it even more if its tone were less adversarial and its writers better informed on book industry practices.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Durrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Durrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;...when you travel your ability to buy books will be determined by your “… home  country, not by the country you are traveling in.” &#039;

What! I don&#039;t see how they&#039;ll get away with that!

It&#039;s been established that the point of sale is the location of the person that buys the goods, not the location of the seller. That&#039;s why we have the regional restrictions problem with ebook sales, and why, even if we can buy books from the US, EU customers get charged VAT.

And they&#039;re now saying that, no matter where the customer is physically when buying a book, they&#039;ll apply restrictions and charges as if the customer was in their &quot;home&quot; country?

The publishers will surely complain bitterly about this breach of their regional sales rights as they have about other breaches of the rights. And if I live in the UK, why should I be prevented from buying from American publishers if I&#039;m actually visiting the US? (Or vice-versa.)

I hope the publishers are concentrating on preventing problems like this in the future. Chris Meadows has that exactly right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;&#8230;when you travel your ability to buy books will be determined by your “… home  country, not by the country you are traveling in.” &#8216;</p>
<p>What! I don&#8217;t see how they&#8217;ll get away with that!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been established that the point of sale is the location of the person that buys the goods, not the location of the seller. That&#8217;s why we have the regional restrictions problem with ebook sales, and why, even if we can buy books from the US, EU customers get charged VAT.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;re now saying that, no matter where the customer is physically when buying a book, they&#8217;ll apply restrictions and charges as if the customer was in their &#8220;home&#8221; country?</p>
<p>The publishers will surely complain bitterly about this breach of their regional sales rights as they have about other breaches of the rights. And if I live in the UK, why should I be prevented from buying from American publishers if I&#8217;m actually visiting the US? (Or vice-versa.)</p>
<p>I hope the publishers are concentrating on preventing problems like this in the future. Chris Meadows has that exactly right.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so if you&#039;re an author (like me) and you&#039;ve posted your books/articles for sale at the U.S. Kindle store, does that mean they won&#039;t be listed anywhere else? I *want* my stuff to be available worldwide. Considering that Amazon takes 65% of the proceeds, I should at least get that for my efforts.

Anyone know the answer to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so if you&#8217;re an author (like me) and you&#8217;ve posted your books/articles for sale at the U.S. Kindle store, does that mean they won&#8217;t be listed anywhere else? I *want* my stuff to be available worldwide. Considering that Amazon takes 65% of the proceeds, I should at least get that for my efforts.</p>
<p>Anyone know the answer to this?</p>
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		<title>By: Devini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mary, you can buy ebooks from Britain. Waterstones &amp; WHSmith will sell them to you. Rankin&#039;s Fleshmarket Close is the book I want to read; not Fleshmarket Alley. Give me a break I say to American publishers. I&#039;m buying Rankin&#039;s book not yours!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mary, you can buy ebooks from Britain. Waterstones &amp; WHSmith will sell them to you. Rankin&#8217;s Fleshmarket Close is the book I want to read; not Fleshmarket Alley. Give me a break I say to American publishers. I&#8217;m buying Rankin&#8217;s book not yours!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can add me to the group who would prefer to be able to buy books originally published in Great Britain in an e-book from there. Why CAN&#039;T I buy an e-book from there? I can buy print books from the UK and I do. This is madness! I have been reading British books for so long that I&#039;ve adopted some of their colloquialisms. I do not need the books translated to the &quot;American&quot; language. Ye gods!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can add me to the group who would prefer to be able to buy books originally published in Great Britain in an e-book from there. Why CAN&#8217;T I buy an e-book from there? I can buy print books from the UK and I do. This is madness! I have been reading British books for so long that I&#8217;ve adopted some of their colloquialisms. I do not need the books translated to the &#8220;American&#8221; language. Ye gods!</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t part of the reason for this whole problem that books are so much more expensive in most countries than they are in the U.S., i.e. that publishers don&#039;t want to have to &quot;Americanize&quot; their prices worldwide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t part of the reason for this whole problem that books are so much more expensive in most countries than they are in the U.S., i.e. that publishers don&#8217;t want to have to &#8220;Americanize&#8221; their prices worldwide?</p>
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		<title>By: Felix Torres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix Torres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tamas Simon Says: 

Besides… as an early adopter of the SONY Reader I would advise everyone not to buy a specialized device that can only do one thing and that you cannot load applications to.
____

Gee, I dunno, but I see several hundred million people each year buying PMPs that only play music and (maybe) video and they seem to do okay.

And with dedicated ereaders going down to US$200 and under (vs the $500-1000 of the mythical Apple tablet/chalice) it would seem there just *might* be room for both approaches; simple, cheap, dedicated readers that can go weeks between charges and expensive do-everything devices that go hours on a charge.

We all have diffetent needs and preferences, you know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tamas Simon Says: </p>
<p>Besides… as an early adopter of the SONY Reader I would advise everyone not to buy a specialized device that can only do one thing and that you cannot load applications to.<br />
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<p>Gee, I dunno, but I see several hundred million people each year buying PMPs that only play music and (maybe) video and they seem to do okay.</p>
<p>And with dedicated ereaders going down to US$200 and under (vs the $500-1000 of the mythical Apple tablet/chalice) it would seem there just *might* be room for both approaches; simple, cheap, dedicated readers that can go weeks between charges and expensive do-everything devices that go hours on a charge.</p>
<p>We all have diffetent needs and preferences, you know&#8230;</p>
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