Comments on: The iPod Touch’s camera: Left out, or just ‘late’? http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/ News & views on e-books, libraries, publishing and related topics Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:55:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: rf928 http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/comment-page-1/#comment-1153577 rf928 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:03:05 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/11/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/#comment-1153577 If the touch does come out with a camera, it will be a big event. i agree that i will wait till jan 27. aftr that, i will hope that it comes with a replacement plan( at least 2 years. If the touch does come out with a camera, it will be a big event. i agree that i will wait till jan 27. aftr that, i will hope that it comes with a replacement plan( at least 2 years.

]]> By: Steeves http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/comment-page-1/#comment-1152723 Steeves Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:10:22 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/11/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/#comment-1152723 Well seeing how there's a release event on January 27th I'll be waiting to buy an iPod until then. If this is a Mac update then I will be sour for waiting so long as I'm dying to get one, but if it is the camera update then ill be glad. It seems to me that the iPod touch needs a camera, and if/when it gets one, it will be a serious contender with other camera sales as well. Well seeing how there’s a release event on January 27th I’ll be waiting to buy an iPod until then.

If this is a Mac update then I will be sour for waiting so long as I’m dying to get one, but if it is the camera update then ill be glad. It seems to me that the iPod touch needs a camera, and if/when it gets one, it will be a serious contender with other camera sales as well.

]]> By: Lee Fyock http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/comment-page-1/#comment-1144995 Lee Fyock Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:13:23 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/11/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/#comment-1144995 I believe you're wrong about the low-end iPod Touch not supporting OpenGL. All iPhone OS devices support OpenGL. The new models have a better chipset which supports OpenGL _2.0_ as opposed to the 1.2 in previous models. I believe you’re wrong about the low-end iPod Touch not supporting OpenGL. All iPhone OS devices support OpenGL. The new models have a better chipset which supports OpenGL _2.0_ as opposed to the 1.2 in previous models.

]]> By: David S. http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/comment-page-1/#comment-1144888 David S. Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:03:15 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/11/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/#comment-1144888 The fact that a teardown of the new touch shows a space for a camera in the circuit board and the fact that the OS update they released for the touch was 3.1.1 but for the iPhone it was 3.1 (last minute removal of camera app and related software for the touch required another point release) shows they intended to put a camera in it until quite recently. The question is did they decide to remove the camera from the touch for technical reasons (e.g. faulty parts as rumoured) or for marketing reasons? If the former then expect a new camera-equipped touch Dec-Feb, but if it was a marketing decision then it could be years away. Given that marketing input to feature decisions like this would normally have been finalized at least 6+ months ago technical issues would seem more likely. However, maybe Steve was not involved in the original decision months ago due to his health issues and since coming back to work has had one of his trademark changes of mind and demanded it be "Steve'd". The fact that a teardown of the new touch shows a space for a camera in the circuit board and the fact that the OS update they released for the touch was 3.1.1 but for the iPhone it was 3.1 (last minute removal of camera app and related software for the touch required another point release) shows they intended to put a camera in it until quite recently.

The question is did they decide to remove the camera from the touch for technical reasons (e.g. faulty parts as rumoured) or for marketing reasons? If the former then expect a new camera-equipped touch Dec-Feb, but if it was a marketing decision then it could be years away. Given that marketing input to feature decisions like this would normally have been finalized at least 6+ months ago technical issues would seem more likely.

However, maybe Steve was not involved in the original decision months ago due to his health issues and since coming back to work has had one of his trademark changes of mind and demanded it be “Steve’d”.

]]> By: Chris Meadows http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/comment-page-1/#comment-1144879 Chris Meadows Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:10:53 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/11/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/#comment-1144879 <b>@trav:</b> I will point out that they have already sold at least twice as many iPod Touches as iPhones. I don't think cutting into the iPhone's market share is really an issue. @trav: I will point out that they have already sold at least twice as many iPod Touches as iPhones. I don’t think cutting into the iPhone’s market share is really an issue.

]]> By: appledude http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/comment-page-1/#comment-1144872 appledude Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:13:24 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/11/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/#comment-1144872 isnt it obvious steve jobbs is lying its obvious hes selling the 50+million he made then the ones without the camera selling the ones with the camera later hes not gonna say there was problems then nobody will buy the touch till it has a camera common sense isnt it obvious steve jobbs is lying its obvious hes selling the 50+million he made then the ones without the camera selling the ones with the camera later hes not gonna say there was problems then nobody will buy the touch till it has a camera common sense

]]> By: -Andy- http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/comment-page-1/#comment-1144866 -Andy- Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:24:46 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/11/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/#comment-1144866 I can see a January/February update to the touch happening. But not before Christmas unless a miracle happens. And will the update include a camera or GPS (which is what I want to see in the touch, not a camera.) or jump a memory/hardware upgrade to the low-end one? Although Apple historically does iPod updates in September, Mac updates in January, laptop updates around June, they will occasionally slip a hardware update into the Apple Store without an announcement. Or the camera touch could be like the Apple tablet -- wishful thinking by the rumour mongers to drive page hits. And no matter when/if the touch gains a camera SOMEONE is going to be pointlessly angry about it. I can see a January/February update to the touch happening. But not before Christmas unless a miracle happens. And will the update include a camera or GPS (which is what I want to see in the touch, not a camera.) or jump a memory/hardware upgrade to the low-end one?

Although Apple historically does iPod updates in September, Mac updates in January, laptop updates around June, they will occasionally slip a hardware update into the Apple Store without an announcement.

Or the camera touch could be like the Apple tablet — wishful thinking by the rumour mongers to drive page hits.

And no matter when/if the touch gains a camera SOMEONE is going to be pointlessly angry about it.

]]> By: Mike Perry http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/comment-page-1/#comment-1144864 Mike Perry Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:18:37 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/11/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/#comment-1144864 Yes, Steve Jobs remarks do leave you wondering what really did happen. Claiming that Apple now intends the touch to be a game machine and no more didn't endear him with the many people who want it to be an iPhone without a costly AT&T service plan. As an attempt at 'spin,' it failed miserably. That said, the dinky little video-only VGA camera they put in Nanos is, for many of us, no better than no camera at all. We need one of the same quality as that in the iPhone or better--one that can focus up close. The problem may rest in the thinness of the touch. It may be too thin to use the iPhone's camera. If Apple wasn't planning to use the camera in the Nano, then it is possible that the higher resolution one they wanted to use wasn't good enough or reliable enough. The latter is more likely, since the problems seems to have surfaced late in the development cycle. Apple could have spared themselves these woes by making the touch about the same thickness as the iPhone, using most of the added space for a larger battery. No one complains about the thickness of the iPhone, so they wouldn't complain about the new touch, especially if it had twice the battery life. And that'd make sharing parts between the two easier. I was planning on buying one of these new touches, but Apple hasn't given me any reason to do so. I can get more features in a used 1-g iPhone for less and equivalent features in the 2-g touch, also for less. And the real price of the new low-end touch is $230, since it ships without the remote earphones with mike. Yes, Steve Jobs remarks do leave you wondering what really did happen. Claiming that Apple now intends the touch to be a game machine and no more didn’t endear him with the many people who want it to be an iPhone without a costly AT&T service plan. As an attempt at ‘spin,’ it failed miserably.

That said, the dinky little video-only VGA camera they put in Nanos is, for many of us, no better than no camera at all. We need one of the same quality as that in the iPhone or better–one that can focus up close.

The problem may rest in the thinness of the touch. It may be too thin to use the iPhone’s camera. If Apple wasn’t planning to use the camera in the Nano, then it is possible that the higher resolution one they wanted to use wasn’t good enough or reliable enough. The latter is more likely, since the problems seems to have surfaced late in the development cycle.

Apple could have spared themselves these woes by making the touch about the same thickness as the iPhone, using most of the added space for a larger battery. No one complains about the thickness of the iPhone, so they wouldn’t complain about the new touch, especially if it had twice the battery life. And that’d make sharing parts between the two easier.

I was planning on buying one of these new touches, but Apple hasn’t given me any reason to do so. I can get more features in a used 1-g iPhone for less and equivalent features in the 2-g touch, also for less. And the real price of the new low-end touch is $230, since it ships without the remote earphones with mike.

]]> By: trav http://www.teleread.com/chris-meadows/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/comment-page-1/#comment-1144863 trav Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:08:53 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/11/the-ipod-touchs-camera-left-out-or-just-late/#comment-1144863 Has anyone considered that the touch is (and will remain) camera-less because they don't want to cut into the iPhone share? Or are they different enough to be different categories. If they do want to keep the cost down to maintain an entry level device to the app store, that makes sense. And keeping the camera+touch=iPhone premium-priced model where it is (with a trickle of $$ coming in from ATT makes sense too. But offering a middle device that would steal from premium-priced sales, while not offering anymore app store cash, would seem a waste of time. Am I missing a step or would their portfolio really be better by having a touch with camera? Has anyone considered that the touch is (and will remain) camera-less because they don’t want to cut into the iPhone share? Or are they different enough to be different categories.

If they do want to keep the cost down to maintain an entry level device to the app store, that makes sense.
And keeping the camera+touch=iPhone premium-priced model where it is (with a trickle of $$ coming in from ATT makes sense too.

But offering a middle device that would steal from premium-priced sales, while not offering anymore app store cash, would seem a waste of time.

Am I missing a step or would their portfolio really be better by having a touch with camera?

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