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	<title>Comments on: Public domain books being blocked by Amazon; silly marketing decision?</title>
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		<title>By: Mags</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect what is going on is that some greedy sellers are slapping up poorly formatted public domain books, Kindle readers are buying them, and then complaining or demanding their money back (and I&#039;ve no problem with that), so to solve the problem Amazon isn&#039;t letting anyone sell public domain books. That doesn&#039;t solve the problem, just masks the cause.

B&amp;N has been selling their own editions of public domain books for years. They include two Austens in the download of their new ebook software. But they offer other editions, too (including the indifferently OCRed Google Books versions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect what is going on is that some greedy sellers are slapping up poorly formatted public domain books, Kindle readers are buying them, and then complaining or demanding their money back (and I&#8217;ve no problem with that), so to solve the problem Amazon isn&#8217;t letting anyone sell public domain books. That doesn&#8217;t solve the problem, just masks the cause.</p>
<p>B&amp;N has been selling their own editions of public domain books for years. They include two Austens in the download of their new ebook software. But they offer other editions, too (including the indifferently OCRed Google Books versions).</p>
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		<title>By: pond</title>
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		<dc:creator>pond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there is a workaround. Maybe girlebooks could add some content -- an original introduction would be all that is needed, but more might be offered -- and then they have a unique and (parts at least) copyrightable edition that they can retitle so as to avoid the no-doubt robotic means Amazon uses to weed out these duplicate titles.

&#039;The Girlebook Edition of Jane Austen&#039;s Pride and Prejudice&#039; would do it. Writers can be &#039;Jane Austen and girlebooks&#039;

But then when a user searched for the title &#039;Pride and Prejudice&#039; alone, would the girlebooks edition show up?

Another thing this strategy (which is at least a couple weeks old, by the way) brings up is the forbidding prospect that Amazon might be considering grabbing all the public domain titles for themselves. I&#039;ve seen nobody suggest such a thing so far, but in order to &#039;clear up the confusion&#039; and &#039;help all our Kindle users,&#039; Amazon might just repackage all the Project Gutenberg titles and sell them as &#039;Authentic Authorized Amazon Editions&#039; -- a sideswipe at google books editions, a variant on the Barnes &amp; Noble self-published classics, and a way of locking up these titles for themselves.

Amazon might also copartner with various &#039;authorities&#039; in the universities to publish &#039;Amazon Scholarly Editions&#039; of these PG titles, all with introduction and notes by authorities in the relevant fields, and proofed and reproofed by these authorities. That would be part of the push by Amazon into the textbook markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is a workaround. Maybe girlebooks could add some content &#8212; an original introduction would be all that is needed, but more might be offered &#8212; and then they have a unique and (parts at least) copyrightable edition that they can retitle so as to avoid the no-doubt robotic means Amazon uses to weed out these duplicate titles.</p>
<p>&#8216;The Girlebook Edition of Jane Austen&#8217;s Pride and Prejudice&#8217; would do it. Writers can be &#8216;Jane Austen and girlebooks&#8217;</p>
<p>But then when a user searched for the title &#8216;Pride and Prejudice&#8217; alone, would the girlebooks edition show up?</p>
<p>Another thing this strategy (which is at least a couple weeks old, by the way) brings up is the forbidding prospect that Amazon might be considering grabbing all the public domain titles for themselves. I&#8217;ve seen nobody suggest such a thing so far, but in order to &#8216;clear up the confusion&#8217; and &#8216;help all our Kindle users,&#8217; Amazon might just repackage all the Project Gutenberg titles and sell them as &#8216;Authentic Authorized Amazon Editions&#8217; &#8212; a sideswipe at google books editions, a variant on the Barnes &amp; Noble self-published classics, and a way of locking up these titles for themselves.</p>
<p>Amazon might also copartner with various &#8216;authorities&#8217; in the universities to publish &#8216;Amazon Scholarly Editions&#8217; of these PG titles, all with introduction and notes by authorities in the relevant fields, and proofed and reproofed by these authorities. That would be part of the push by Amazon into the textbook markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Rob, the contract with Amazon says the SRP must be consistent with the SRP provided to &quot;other retailers and wholesalers&quot;. I take &quot;other retailers and wholesalers&quot; to mean exactly that: other ebook stores where I sell the ebooks like Scribd, Mobipocket, Smashwords, etc. Not my own site where I offer them for free. I&#039;m not a lawyer, so please correct me if I&#039;m wrong.

And thanks for the kind words, Mags. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Rob, the contract with Amazon says the SRP must be consistent with the SRP provided to &#8220;other retailers and wholesalers&#8221;. I take &#8220;other retailers and wholesalers&#8221; to mean exactly that: other ebook stores where I sell the ebooks like Scribd, Mobipocket, Smashwords, etc. Not my own site where I offer them for free. I&#8217;m not a lawyer, so please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>And thanks for the kind words, Mags. <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Askenase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Askenase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have recently &quot;purchased&quot; two Sherlock Holmes collections that Amazon is selling for free.  These are story collections.  These ebooks do NOT have a linked Table of Contents!! How helpful is that! If I want the third story I have to scroll my way to it. Inexcusable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently &#8220;purchased&#8221; two Sherlock Holmes collections that Amazon is selling for free.  These are story collections.  These ebooks do NOT have a linked Table of Contents!! How helpful is that! If I want the third story I have to scroll my way to it. Inexcusable!</p>
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		<title>By: Mags</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP! Confusion, indeed. If you search &lt;i&gt;Pride and Prejudice&lt;/i&gt; for pbooks there also are a dozen or more editions. Penguin has an edition, Oxford has an edition (two actually), Cambridge has an edition, Dover Thrift has an edition, Bantam has an edition, Tor has an edition for crying out loud. I own four or five copies myself, and it&#039;s not even my favorite Austen. (I have a copy of &lt;i&gt;Northanger Abbey&lt;/i&gt; in Italian.) Janeites have their favorite and will have deep and lengthy discussions about &quot;which is best.&quot; Are they going to pick one and tell the others they can&#039;t sell their books? I&#039;d like to see that. Academics will storm the castle with pitchforks and torches. 

By the bye, Girlebooks does a fabulous job and I recommend them highly for public domain and other books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP! Confusion, indeed. If you search <i>Pride and Prejudice</i> for pbooks there also are a dozen or more editions. Penguin has an edition, Oxford has an edition (two actually), Cambridge has an edition, Dover Thrift has an edition, Bantam has an edition, Tor has an edition for crying out loud. I own four or five copies myself, and it&#8217;s not even my favorite Austen. (I have a copy of <i>Northanger Abbey</i> in Italian.) Janeites have their favorite and will have deep and lengthy discussions about &#8220;which is best.&#8221; Are they going to pick one and tell the others they can&#8217;t sell their books? I&#8217;d like to see that. Academics will storm the castle with pitchforks and torches. </p>
<p>By the bye, Girlebooks does a fabulous job and I recommend them highly for public domain and other books.</p>
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		<title>By: Binko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question about public domain ebooks on the kindle? If you buy a public domain book for cheap or even get it for free through Amazon&#039;s whispernet does it come to your kindle wrapped in Amazon&#039;s proprietary DRM?

Are you turning public domain ebooks into locked-down restricted use version whenever you acquire them through Amazon? If so this really does not seem in the spirit of  public domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question about public domain ebooks on the kindle? If you buy a public domain book for cheap or even get it for free through Amazon&#8217;s whispernet does it come to your kindle wrapped in Amazon&#8217;s proprietary DRM?</p>
<p>Are you turning public domain ebooks into locked-down restricted use version whenever you acquire them through Amazon? If so this really does not seem in the spirit of  public domain.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Preece, Publisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Preece, Publisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible that GirleBooks has signed a different Amazon contract than I have but my contract stipulates that I won&#039;t offer them at a lower regular price elsewhere than the list price I set for Amazon (everyone gets the same list price although discounts etc. are possible). If GirleBooks is selling for free on their site and for money on Kindle, they may have another issue beyond the public domain one. 

Rob Preece
Publisher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible that GirleBooks has signed a different Amazon contract than I have but my contract stipulates that I won&#8217;t offer them at a lower regular price elsewhere than the list price I set for Amazon (everyone gets the same list price although discounts etc. are possible). If GirleBooks is selling for free on their site and for money on Kindle, they may have another issue beyond the public domain one. </p>
<p>Rob Preece<br />
Publisher</p>
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		<title>By: HeavyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeavyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me like Amazon has found a problem, they&#039;re calling a time-out, going to look at the problem and see how they might address it, then arrive at a policy that is clear to everyone that wants to try and capitalize on selling public domain titles for the Kindle.

I recall more than a few folks being upset when they found people were selling public domain titles for the Kindle to begin with (&quot;Morons&quot; they screamed. &quot;You can get them elsewhere for FREE&quot;).

Just the other day there were commenters here blasting Google for releasing millions of titles in ePub (for FREE) that had not been formatted to the readers liking. There is just no pleasing some people.

I&#039;ve tried a few times to find public domain titles on Amazon for my Kindle in the hope that someone may have taken a bit of time to correct some formatting issues for titles I could get straight from Gutenberg. I&#039;d gladly pay a buck or two for a &quot;clean&quot; ebook.

The choices can be overwhelming - 100 versions of Huck Finn with prices ranging from zilch to 7 bucks (most with zero customer reviews). It is also difficult to try and determine how much effort the publisher put into cleaning up the offering or if they are just one of many folks throwing dozens of titles up in an effort to try and make a quick buck.

Right offhand I don&#039;t have a clue what the best course of action is for Amazon. I doubt they have the resources to vet each and every ebook title they sell. I know from personal experience with a few titles from major publishers that I have bought that formatting and database errors/sloppiness occurs. To Amazon&#039;s credit whenever I have notified them they are quick to work with the publisher to correct the mistake.

Of course they could just remain in a laissez faire mode and let the buyer beware and try to just rely on customer reviews. It is a damned if they do and damned if they don&#039;t sort of thing methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me like Amazon has found a problem, they&#8217;re calling a time-out, going to look at the problem and see how they might address it, then arrive at a policy that is clear to everyone that wants to try and capitalize on selling public domain titles for the Kindle.</p>
<p>I recall more than a few folks being upset when they found people were selling public domain titles for the Kindle to begin with (&#8220;Morons&#8221; they screamed. &#8220;You can get them elsewhere for FREE&#8221;).</p>
<p>Just the other day there were commenters here blasting Google for releasing millions of titles in ePub (for FREE) that had not been formatted to the readers liking. There is just no pleasing some people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried a few times to find public domain titles on Amazon for my Kindle in the hope that someone may have taken a bit of time to correct some formatting issues for titles I could get straight from Gutenberg. I&#8217;d gladly pay a buck or two for a &#8220;clean&#8221; ebook.</p>
<p>The choices can be overwhelming &#8211; 100 versions of Huck Finn with prices ranging from zilch to 7 bucks (most with zero customer reviews). It is also difficult to try and determine how much effort the publisher put into cleaning up the offering or if they are just one of many folks throwing dozens of titles up in an effort to try and make a quick buck.</p>
<p>Right offhand I don&#8217;t have a clue what the best course of action is for Amazon. I doubt they have the resources to vet each and every ebook title they sell. I know from personal experience with a few titles from major publishers that I have bought that formatting and database errors/sloppiness occurs. To Amazon&#8217;s credit whenever I have notified them they are quick to work with the publisher to correct the mistake.</p>
<p>Of course they could just remain in a laissez faire mode and let the buyer beware and try to just rely on customer reviews. It is a damned if they do and damned if they don&#8217;t sort of thing methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On 8/31/2009 the Girlebooks edition is listed on Amazon as not yet available.  There were eight other editions for Kindle ranging in price from $1.00 to $24.95.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On 8/31/2009 the Girlebooks edition is listed on Amazon as not yet available.  There were eight other editions for Kindle ranging in price from $1.00 to $24.95.</p>
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