Comments on: Opera the winner so far—as my replacement for the hated Firefox 3.5 http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/ News & views on e-books, libraries, publishing and related topics Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:35:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rimon http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129955 Rimon Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:06:08 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129955 @David: The downside is that certain sites are for Internet Explorer and Firefox only. This is usually due to inept browser-sniffing. Rather than the site asking the browser "can you do x? what about y?" and so on, the page author knows a particular browser can do all that's desired, so instead of a string of check questions, the author simply asks "are you browser A, version N+?" and simply says "sorry" to other browsers. The practical solution to a site's "why do you want to know?" question is to give the answer it wants to hear: Right-click on a blank section of the site, select "Edit site preferences" and then "Network" and choose to tell the site that you're using IE/FF. The vast majority of the time that's enough to make the site work properly. Masking hides more than Identifying. @David: The downside is that certain sites are for Internet Explorer and Firefox only.

This is usually due to inept browser-sniffing. Rather than the site asking the browser “can you do x? what about y?” and so on, the page author knows a particular browser can do all that’s desired, so instead of a string of check questions, the author simply asks “are you browser A, version N+?” and simply says “sorry” to other browsers.

The practical solution to a site’s “why do you want to know?” question is to give the answer it wants to hear: Right-click on a blank section of the site, select “Edit site preferences” and then “Network” and choose to tell the site that you’re using IE/FF. The vast majority of the time that’s enough to make the site work properly. Masking hides more than Identifying.

]]> By: David http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129847 David Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:49:48 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129847 Wow, I've never crashed Firefox, even with dozens of tabs open. Older versions or the newest. Maybe I'm lucky. That said, I think a lot of Opera and it was my browser of choice for awhile, until I needed to watch online video (Netflix, CBS Sports) that wouldn't work with Opera. Wow, I’ve never crashed Firefox, even with dozens of tabs open. Older versions or the newest. Maybe I’m lucky.

That said, I think a lot of Opera and it was my browser of choice for awhile, until I needed to watch online video (Netflix, CBS Sports) that wouldn’t work with Opera.

]]> By: David Rothman http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129638 David Rothman Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:45:03 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129638 Great point, HG---one reason why Jon's been such a major Opera fan. As for perfect compliance with Web standards at this end, we run WordPress, which isn't perfect but probably is better than a lot of junk out there. It's the templates and the maintenance and customization hassles that complicate things. Thanks, David Great point, HG—one reason why Jon’s been such a major Opera fan. As for perfect compliance with Web standards at this end, we run WordPress, which isn’t perfect but probably is better than a lot of junk out there. It’s the templates and the maintenance and customization hassles that complicate things.

Thanks,
David

]]> By: HeavyG http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129617 HeavyG Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:17:04 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129617 Regarding the renderings - Opera was the first browser to score a perfect 100 on the Acid 3 test. In the real world though, all that means is that Opera may not be quite so tolerant of web sites that aren't written in strict compliance with web standards. Regarding the renderings – Opera was the first browser to score a perfect 100 on the Acid 3 test.

In the real world though, all that means is that Opera may not be quite so tolerant of web sites that aren’t written in strict compliance with web standards.

]]> By: David Rothman http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129581 David Rothman Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:36:07 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129581 Joe: LOL. Mea culpa. Pay us $100 a year to augment the revenue from ads in this dismal economy, and we'll crank out the same number of newsy posts and hire someone to get the TeleBlog coded immaculately. Seriously, it's a simple matter of priorities and resources and business issues. Eager for a subscription fee? Or to volunteer? Thanks. David Joe: LOL. Mea culpa. Pay us $100 a year to augment the revenue from ads in this dismal economy, and we’ll crank out the same number of newsy posts and hire someone to get the TeleBlog coded immaculately. Seriously, it’s a simple matter of priorities and resources and business issues. Eager for a subscription fee? Or to volunteer? Thanks. David

]]> By: Joe Clark http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129560 Joe Clark Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:02:36 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129560 Opera page renderings probably looked “different” because they were more accurate. Anyway, your code isn’t all that hot to begin with (you can’t even write all the letters in the word “style”), so what is determining page rendering is browsers’ ability to hack through your code like a machete, not the code itself. Opera page renderings probably looked “different” because they were more accurate. Anyway, your code isn’t all that hot to begin with (you can’t even write all the letters in the word “style”), so what is determining page rendering is browsers’ ability to hack through your code like a machete, not the code itself.

]]> By: igorsk http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129551 igorsk Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:52:35 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129551 Dynamic spellcheck: http://opera.gt500.org/ospell/ Opera 10 will have something similar built-in. Opera hint: use Shift+Arrows to navigate links spatially. Dynamic spellcheck:
http://opera.gt500.org/ospell/
Opera 10 will have something similar built-in.

Opera hint: use Shift+Arrows to navigate links spatially.

]]> By: Court http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129536 Court Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:19:51 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129536 Alright, David, I'm going to give Opera a try. Being able to use Greasemonkey scripts, as Josep indicated, is a big plus. Like HeavyG, when I use FF I rely heavily on some plug-ins; without them Chrome still feels sort of naked, even if it does perform far better - to say nothing of how much quicker it starts up. I've gotten addicted to that about Chrome. If Opera takes a long time to start up, forget about it. I'm going to give it a try, though. My main hope, though, is that the FF will get it together, and I can go back to using it. Alright, David, I’m going to give Opera a try. Being able to use Greasemonkey scripts, as Josep indicated, is a big plus. Like HeavyG, when I use FF I rely heavily on some plug-ins; without them Chrome still feels sort of naked, even if it does perform far better – to say nothing of how much quicker it starts up. I’ve gotten addicted to that about Chrome. If Opera takes a long time to start up, forget about it. I’m going to give it a try, though.

My main hope, though, is that the FF will get it together, and I can go back to using it.

]]> By: Josep http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129375 Josep Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:40:50 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129375 You can also configure Opera to run Firefox's GreasyMonkey scripts. I can't remember where was the tutorial, but a bit of searching would do. Extra tip: on the main adress bar type "g search term" to search with google. g stands for google. Similar for other search engines (w = wikipedia; a = ask; z = amazon; e = ebay). Opera rocks. You can also configure Opera to run Firefox’s GreasyMonkey scripts. I can’t remember where was the tutorial, but a bit of searching would do.

Extra tip: on the main adress bar type “g search term” to search with google. g stands for google. Similar for other search engines (w = wikipedia; a = ask; z = amazon; e = ebay). Opera rocks.

]]> By: HeavyG http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129148 HeavyG Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:31:00 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129148 I used to use Opera quite a lot years ago. Even bought a few licenses back when they still used to charge for it. One feature in Opera back then I used to really like was that I could set it up so that I could have two windows side by side (this was before tabs came about) and I could have a list of links in one window and set up that window so that links would open up in the other window. It might still be my main browser except that I really use and am very dependent upon a few FireFox extensions. I don't see Opera or Chrome or anything else having the variety of extensions available anytime soon so while I use other browsers occasionally FF is still the one. It will settle down in due time. I used to use Opera quite a lot years ago. Even bought a few licenses back when they still used to charge for it. One feature in Opera back then I used to really like was that I could set it up so that I could have two windows side by side (this was before tabs came about) and I could have a list of links in one window and set up that window so that links would open up in the other window.

It might still be my main browser except that I really use and am very dependent upon a few FireFox extensions.

I don’t see Opera or Chrome or anything else having the variety of extensions available anytime soon so while I use other browsers occasionally FF is still the one.

It will settle down in due time.

]]> By: David Rothman http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129127 David Rothman Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:55:31 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129127 Hi, Carol. Firefox is great when it works. But as noted, it's Crash City, and I just am tired of these problems interrupting my work. I'm happy for you and your colleagues if Firefox is working reliably. It just isn't for me, and Opera has the features I need. I've even downloaded the latest version with the inline speller. David Hi, Carol. Firefox is great when it works. But as noted, it’s Crash City, and I just am tired of these problems interrupting my work. I’m happy for you and your colleagues if Firefox is working reliably. It just isn’t for me, and Opera has the features I need. I’ve even downloaded the latest version with the inline speller. David

]]> By: Carol A http://www.teleread.com/net-related-tooks-from-search-engines-to-blogware/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/comment-page-1/#comment-1129061 Carol A Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:55:26 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/2009/08/19/opera-the-winner-so-far-as-my-replacement-for-the-hated-firefox-35/#comment-1129061 What's the problem with Firefox? We are finding that many secure sites etc work much better than IE, and we seem to be using it more and more at work. Even non techy staff say that it is easier to use. What’s the problem with Firefox? We are finding that many secure sites etc work much better than IE, and we seem to be using it more and more at work. Even non techy staff say that it is easier to use.

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