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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/project-gutenberg-looking-for-error-correction-volunteers/comment-page-1/#comment-993192</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eBook is my capitalized version, ebook is my not capitalized version. 

Because I like it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eBook is my capitalized version, ebook is my not capitalized version. </p>
<p>Because I like it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/project-gutenberg-looking-for-error-correction-volunteers/comment-page-1/#comment-993113</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what&#039;s more important, Paul---&quot;electronic&quot; or &quot;publishing&quot;? I vote for &quot;publishing.&quot; ;-)

Thanks,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what&#8217;s more important, Paul&#8212;&#8221;electronic&#8221; or &#8220;publishing&#8221;? I vote for &#8220;publishing.&#8221; <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Biba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Biba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll rephrase it then:  Given the New York Times and Publishers Weekly&#039;s almost complete lack of electronic publishing savvy, I don&#039;t see how they can be an authority here :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll rephrase it then:  Given the New York Times and Publishers Weekly&#8217;s almost complete lack of electronic publishing savvy, I don&#8217;t see how they can be an authority here <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/project-gutenberg-looking-for-error-correction-volunteers/comment-page-1/#comment-992588</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, the NYT and PW might accuse more than a few Net folks of lack of PUBLISHING savvy, LOL. Meanwhile see Jon&#039;s note. Michael is truly one of the great people of eBooks, er, e-books, but I&#039;d hardly regard him as the ultimate authority on publishing.

Thanks,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, the NYT and PW might accuse more than a few Net folks of lack of PUBLISHING savvy, LOL. Meanwhile see Jon&#8217;s note. Michael is truly one of the great people of eBooks, er, e-books, but I&#8217;d hardly regard him as the ultimate authority on publishing.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Noring</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/project-gutenberg-looking-for-error-correction-volunteers/comment-page-1/#comment-992498</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Noring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I have to respectfully disagree with you that Michael Hart is the &quot;inventor&quot; of the ebook (or e-book). Despite Michael Hart claiming this &quot;title&quot;, the facts don&#039;t support his contention. Michael Hart has made significant historic contributions to our digital content future, but &quot;inventor of the ebook&quot; is not one of them, and I wish he would not claim the title since it makes him look like a self-promoter.

Reference to the archive of the now inactive &quot;ebook-history&quot; Yahoo group provides more than enough evidence that Michael Hart (whose PG project never *really* got going until very late 1989, contemporaneous to a couple other text digitization projects that did not reach critical mass) was not the first to think of the idea of digital distribution and reading of book-like content. But of course Michael Hart played a significant role in promoting the idea by actually digitizing content and doggedly promoting the idea (many others digitized content, though, in the mid-1980&#039;s, distributing the texts on various BBS.)

A very strong argument can be made that the invention of the idea of the ebook in the modern sense was by Alan Kay and his Dynabook (1968). A component of the Dynabook idea was that book content would be distributed and read on the Dynabook tablet. There is no doubt that Kay&#039;s idea of the &quot;ebook&quot; virally injected itself into the creative consciousness of the computer community.

More thoughts on the history of the ebook can be given by Bill Janssen, if he wishes to do so. I consider Bill to be the #1 authority on ebook history.

Now regards the spelling of &quot;ebook&quot; (hyphen or not), and its case variants, the &quot;ebook-community&quot; Yahoo group (started in early 1996 as &quot;ebook-list&quot;) uses &quot;ebook&quot;/&quot;eBook&quot;.

An interesting exercise is to do a Google Groups search in the time frame of 1981 to 1992, which mostly covers Usenet. References to &quot;ebook&quot; and &quot;e-book&quot; (and all case variants) start in 1991. There was a company called &quot;EBook Inc.&quot; of San Leandro. No doubt the term &quot;ebook&quot; dates earlier than this, but I have no reference to it. I strongly believe Michael Hart did not originate the term, who didn&#039;t even use it until more recently. The first public use of term &quot;ebook/e-book&quot; may never be determined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I have to respectfully disagree with you that Michael Hart is the &#8220;inventor&#8221; of the ebook (or e-book). Despite Michael Hart claiming this &#8220;title&#8221;, the facts don&#8217;t support his contention. Michael Hart has made significant historic contributions to our digital content future, but &#8220;inventor of the ebook&#8221; is not one of them, and I wish he would not claim the title since it makes him look like a self-promoter.</p>
<p>Reference to the archive of the now inactive &#8220;ebook-history&#8221; Yahoo group provides more than enough evidence that Michael Hart (whose PG project never *really* got going until very late 1989, contemporaneous to a couple other text digitization projects that did not reach critical mass) was not the first to think of the idea of digital distribution and reading of book-like content. But of course Michael Hart played a significant role in promoting the idea by actually digitizing content and doggedly promoting the idea (many others digitized content, though, in the mid-1980&#8242;s, distributing the texts on various BBS.)</p>
<p>A very strong argument can be made that the invention of the idea of the ebook in the modern sense was by Alan Kay and his Dynabook (1968). A component of the Dynabook idea was that book content would be distributed and read on the Dynabook tablet. There is no doubt that Kay&#8217;s idea of the &#8220;ebook&#8221; virally injected itself into the creative consciousness of the computer community.</p>
<p>More thoughts on the history of the ebook can be given by Bill Janssen, if he wishes to do so. I consider Bill to be the #1 authority on ebook history.</p>
<p>Now regards the spelling of &#8220;ebook&#8221; (hyphen or not), and its case variants, the &#8220;ebook-community&#8221; Yahoo group (started in early 1996 as &#8220;ebook-list&#8221;) uses &#8220;ebook&#8221;/&#8221;eBook&#8221;.</p>
<p>An interesting exercise is to do a Google Groups search in the time frame of 1981 to 1992, which mostly covers Usenet. References to &#8220;ebook&#8221; and &#8220;e-book&#8221; (and all case variants) start in 1991. There was a company called &#8220;EBook Inc.&#8221; of San Leandro. No doubt the term &#8220;ebook&#8221; dates earlier than this, but I have no reference to it. I strongly believe Michael Hart did not originate the term, who didn&#8217;t even use it until more recently. The first public use of term &#8220;ebook/e-book&#8221; may never be determined.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Biba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Biba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the New York Times and Publishers Weekly&#039;s almost complete lack of internet savvy  I don&#039;t see how they can be an authority here :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the New York Times and Publishers Weekly&#8217;s almost complete lack of internet savvy  I don&#8217;t see how they can be an authority here <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Perry</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/project-gutenberg-looking-for-error-correction-volunteers/comment-page-1/#comment-992254</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll cast a vote for ebook. As for the alternatives:

eBook looks like a trademarked product (i.e. iBook) not a generic term. Also, capitalizations inside words drive spelling checkers mad and are a headache for anyone not in the know. It&#039;s the sort of headache Adobe created by having products named InDesign and Photoshop. Look at all the people who type the latter PhotoShop. Make the term eBook, and millions of people will still type it ebook while others will create nonsense by analogy like eMail. Keep it simple and conventional to start with, and you&#039;ll not have those problems.

e-books. I&#039;ve never understood the rationale behind hyphenating single characters at the start of words. Something like &quot;work-study programs&quot; I can see. You have two words that are being joined in a new way. It makes sense to add a separator. But &quot;e&quot; isn&#039;t a word. It&#039;s an abbreviation. If you&#039;re going to abbreviate that radically, you might as well drop the hyphen at the same time. Also, as with hyphens, this special way of doing things is just one more thing to remember. (&quot;Now is it ebook or e-book?&quot;) Finally, over time hyphens tend to go away, so why start with them in the first place?

So I cast my vote is for ebook for much the same reason that I use email rather than e-mail. Do a Google search on email and e-mail to see how much confusion there is in that area. In the long run, the simpler form will win.

And yes, if the term following the &quot;e&quot; were something that created pronunciation difficulties, say &quot;e-elections&quot; for elections held electronically,&quot; I would vote for keeping a hyphen. There, a reason exists. But email or ebook don&#039;t have that rationale. They&#039;re easily pronounced.

This reminds me of a writer, I believe it was Tolkien, who has one of his characters say that it&#039;s better to give kids simple names rather than one so long and complicated you have to shorten it with a nickname.

--Michael W. (Mike) Perry, Inkling Books, Seattle

P.S. And I wouldn&#039;t put much stock in what the NY Times does. I once found myself trapped in a debate among Microsoft editors over &quot;data is&quot; versus &quot;data are.&quot; Those sorts of in-house debates are often dominated by those who like to complicate the world with rules needing enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll cast a vote for ebook. As for the alternatives:</p>
<p>eBook looks like a trademarked product (i.e. iBook) not a generic term. Also, capitalizations inside words drive spelling checkers mad and are a headache for anyone not in the know. It&#8217;s the sort of headache Adobe created by having products named InDesign and Photoshop. Look at all the people who type the latter PhotoShop. Make the term eBook, and millions of people will still type it ebook while others will create nonsense by analogy like eMail. Keep it simple and conventional to start with, and you&#8217;ll not have those problems.</p>
<p>e-books. I&#8217;ve never understood the rationale behind hyphenating single characters at the start of words. Something like &#8220;work-study programs&#8221; I can see. You have two words that are being joined in a new way. It makes sense to add a separator. But &#8220;e&#8221; isn&#8217;t a word. It&#8217;s an abbreviation. If you&#8217;re going to abbreviate that radically, you might as well drop the hyphen at the same time. Also, as with hyphens, this special way of doing things is just one more thing to remember. (&#8220;Now is it ebook or e-book?&#8221;) Finally, over time hyphens tend to go away, so why start with them in the first place?</p>
<p>So I cast my vote is for ebook for much the same reason that I use email rather than e-mail. Do a Google search on email and e-mail to see how much confusion there is in that area. In the long run, the simpler form will win.</p>
<p>And yes, if the term following the &#8220;e&#8221; were something that created pronunciation difficulties, say &#8220;e-elections&#8221; for elections held electronically,&#8221; I would vote for keeping a hyphen. There, a reason exists. But email or ebook don&#8217;t have that rationale. They&#8217;re easily pronounced.</p>
<p>This reminds me of a writer, I believe it was Tolkien, who has one of his characters say that it&#8217;s better to give kids simple names rather than one so long and complicated you have to shorten it with a nickname.</p>
<p>&#8211;Michael W. (Mike) Perry, Inkling Books, Seattle</p>
<p>P.S. And I wouldn&#8217;t put much stock in what the NY Times does. I once found myself trapped in a debate among Microsoft editors over &#8220;data is&#8221; versus &#8220;data are.&#8221; Those sorts of in-house debates are often dominated by those who like to complicate the world with rules needing enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/project-gutenberg-looking-for-error-correction-volunteers/comment-page-1/#comment-992101</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Publishers Weekly &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6624689.html?desc=topstory&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;agrees&lt;/a&gt; with the Times. I guess we need to consider this from both a general publishing viewpoint and a PG viewpoint. I vote for the former.

Thanks,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Publishers Weekly <a href="http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6624689.html?desc=topstory" rel="nofollow">agrees</a> with the Times. I guess we need to consider this from both a general publishing viewpoint and a PG viewpoint. I vote for the former.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you saying that Michael Hart, the man who more or less single-handedly &lt;i&gt;invented&lt;/i&gt; the e-book (or eBook) is not authoritative on how the thing he invented should be spelled? Rather, you listen to some old newspaper instead? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you saying that Michael Hart, the man who more or less single-handedly <i>invented</i> the e-book (or eBook) is not authoritative on how the thing he invented should be spelled? Rather, you listen to some old newspaper instead? <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/paul-biba/project-gutenberg-looking-for-error-correction-volunteers/comment-page-1/#comment-991951</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Paul, trolling around? ;-) Please: &lt;em&gt;e-book.&lt;/em&gt; My source of authority here &lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch?query=e-book&amp;srchst=cse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is the NYT.&lt;/a&gt; In this case the people in the old media are right. Thanks. David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Paul, trolling around? <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Please: <em>e-book.</em> My source of authority here <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch?query=e-book&#038;srchst=cse" rel="nofollow">is the NYT.</a> In this case the people in the old media are right. Thanks. David</p>
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