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	<title>Comments on: ePub and the piracy issue: Benefits dwarf risks</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Wallcraft</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-896565</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wallcraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Brooklyn Public Library Digital Media Catalog lists Adobe PDF and MOBI ebooks.  There are now Adobe ePub library ebooks, but they are relatively new and I don&#039;t know which libraries offer them.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Cane</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-896501</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I saw going through hundreds of ebooks at the Bklyn PL, the predominant format is ePub.  MobiPocket format is a minority.

Librarians will not be stupid.  Nor will publishers.  Both will want a file format that can be used on the widest number of devices.  That&#039;s ePub (even if it is &quot;Adode-formatted&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I saw going through hundreds of ebooks at the Bklyn PL, the predominant format is ePub.  MobiPocket format is a minority.</p>
<p>Librarians will not be stupid.  Nor will publishers.  Both will want a file format that can be used on the widest number of devices.  That&#8217;s ePub (even if it is &#8220;Adode-formatted&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: peter collingridge</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-896327</link>
		<dc:creator>peter collingridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris Meadows. I think all this reinforces to me is that ebook (and pbook) pricing is broken. But whether the publisher gets the same money out of the consumer on an ebook sales as a pbook one is hard to work out.

The publisher revenue obviously depends on where it is being sold:

1. PBook in a shop: assume discount (i.e. price paid to publisher by retailer) of +/-50%
2. Ebook in an e-tailer: assume same discount
3. eBook  or p-book in publisher&#039;s own site: 0% discount to &quot;retailer&quot; (as is same as publisher); yet publisher fails to pass saving onto customer for fear of annoying customers (retailers) in 1 and 2. And possibly out of greed. So (3) is not a viable channel.

What I find amazing is that, presented with the opportunities of an entirely new (and, let&#039;s face it, open) retail channel, (UK) publishers have opted for selling through exactly the same model they are complaining about on the high street:  giving someone else the spoils, leaving them with the scraps.

If digital is all about disintermediation, where is that on the horizon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris Meadows. I think all this reinforces to me is that ebook (and pbook) pricing is broken. But whether the publisher gets the same money out of the consumer on an ebook sales as a pbook one is hard to work out.</p>
<p>The publisher revenue obviously depends on where it is being sold:</p>
<p>1. PBook in a shop: assume discount (i.e. price paid to publisher by retailer) of +/-50%<br />
2. Ebook in an e-tailer: assume same discount<br />
3. eBook  or p-book in publisher&#8217;s own site: 0% discount to &#8220;retailer&#8221; (as is same as publisher); yet publisher fails to pass saving onto customer for fear of annoying customers (retailers) in 1 and 2. And possibly out of greed. So (3) is not a viable channel.</p>
<p>What I find amazing is that, presented with the opportunities of an entirely new (and, let&#8217;s face it, open) retail channel, (UK) publishers have opted for selling through exactly the same model they are complaining about on the high street:  giving someone else the spoils, leaving them with the scraps.</p>
<p>If digital is all about disintermediation, where is that on the horizon?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-896309</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expect the publishers are afraid that the e-book sales might cannibalize the p-book sales, and at least this way they still get that same hardcover price out of an e-buyer—or else they turn him off of the e-book and he buys the paper one instead. 

They need to get it through their heads that the paper and e-book market segments are not going to have that much overlap, and lower their e-book price to reach an optimal equilibrium point to bring in as much additional money as they can from the e-book segment, while still selling to the p-book segment at p-book prices.

Maybe someday that will actually happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect the publishers are afraid that the e-book sales might cannibalize the p-book sales, and at least this way they still get that same hardcover price out of an e-buyer—or else they turn him off of the e-book and he buys the paper one instead. </p>
<p>They need to get it through their heads that the paper and e-book market segments are not going to have that much overlap, and lower their e-book price to reach an optimal equilibrium point to bring in as much additional money as they can from the e-book segment, while still selling to the p-book segment at p-book prices.</p>
<p>Maybe someday that will actually happen.</p>
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		<title>By: peter collingridge</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-896098</link>
		<dc:creator>peter collingridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link to Times Emit. Some notes:

* I think Pan Macmillan makes as much of its stuff available in ePub as possible, but in so doing (1) has to bring round a load of authors who know nothing other than fear by the term &quot;unprotected&quot; (2) has to find the time to do this and (3) probably doesn&#039;t shout about it for fear of scaring other - ignorant - authors and agents off. But good for them.

* Glad you linked to Cory&#039;s piece as well - it is very relevant. On which note - all of Cory&#039;s boks are available in ePub, and I guess no-one has made a competing site out of them (possibly for exactly that reason)

* I do think that piracy may be a good thing for reading, if it brings new readers to &quot;books&quot; - at least in the short term.

* The problem I note is exactly pricing - why rip off your early customers by charging almost twice as much for something that costs less to sell to them? That&#039;s gredy and short sighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to Times Emit. Some notes:</p>
<p>* I think Pan Macmillan makes as much of its stuff available in ePub as possible, but in so doing (1) has to bring round a load of authors who know nothing other than fear by the term &#8220;unprotected&#8221; (2) has to find the time to do this and (3) probably doesn&#8217;t shout about it for fear of scaring other &#8211; ignorant &#8211; authors and agents off. But good for them.</p>
<p>* Glad you linked to Cory&#8217;s piece as well &#8211; it is very relevant. On which note &#8211; all of Cory&#8217;s boks are available in ePub, and I guess no-one has made a competing site out of them (possibly for exactly that reason)</p>
<p>* I do think that piracy may be a good thing for reading, if it brings new readers to &#8220;books&#8221; &#8211; at least in the short term.</p>
<p>* The problem I note is exactly pricing &#8211; why rip off your early customers by charging almost twice as much for something that costs less to sell to them? That&#8217;s gredy and short sighted.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-895717</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike actually might have meant the PAPER collections ;-).

Thanks,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike actually might have meant the PAPER collections <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, given that Overdrive does use the Mobipocket format, and Mobipocket cracking tools can be easily obtained through Google…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, given that Overdrive does use the Mobipocket format, and Mobipocket cracking tools can be easily obtained through Google…</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cane</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-895375</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real threat: That pirates will raid the public library collections and and steal them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real threat: That pirates will raid the public library collections and and steal them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Perry</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-895208</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making non-DRMed books inexpensive and easier to find than booklegged ones are excellent ideas. I&#039;d suggest a third. Software companies and the larger publishers should work together to go after the larger and more visible pirates, intentionally leaving mere individuals with a bent to snitch and pass on to a few friends alone. That would force the rest of the pirate band to lurk underground where they&#039;ll do less harm.

Playing by those three rules, social DRM should work, particularly as the digital-using market grows more diverse and fast-paced. With many people now buying a new computer, iPod or (perhaps soon) ebook reader at least once a year, registration DRM will be such a hassle that, to avoid the hassle, people will turn to the pirates for copies they&#039;d have willingly bought without DRM.

In short, we should not act like the record companies. Be decent, keep it cheap and keep it simple are the best ways to keep it legal.

We also need cross-platform, cross-gadget software that will manage these books, something that&#039;d let me store all my books in a digital bookshelf and check out (as many copies as I like) to my gadgets. With a glance, before going on a trip, I can see if I have than new bio I picked up on both my MacBook and (perhaps soon) iPod touch. 

Call it an iTunes for books if you like. It&#039;d help make owning an ebook as simple and straightforward as owning a book.

--Mike Perry, Inkling Books, Seattle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making non-DRMed books inexpensive and easier to find than booklegged ones are excellent ideas. I&#8217;d suggest a third. Software companies and the larger publishers should work together to go after the larger and more visible pirates, intentionally leaving mere individuals with a bent to snitch and pass on to a few friends alone. That would force the rest of the pirate band to lurk underground where they&#8217;ll do less harm.</p>
<p>Playing by those three rules, social DRM should work, particularly as the digital-using market grows more diverse and fast-paced. With many people now buying a new computer, iPod or (perhaps soon) ebook reader at least once a year, registration DRM will be such a hassle that, to avoid the hassle, people will turn to the pirates for copies they&#8217;d have willingly bought without DRM.</p>
<p>In short, we should not act like the record companies. Be decent, keep it cheap and keep it simple are the best ways to keep it legal.</p>
<p>We also need cross-platform, cross-gadget software that will manage these books, something that&#8217;d let me store all my books in a digital bookshelf and check out (as many copies as I like) to my gadgets. With a glance, before going on a trip, I can see if I have than new bio I picked up on both my MacBook and (perhaps soon) iPod touch. </p>
<p>Call it an iTunes for books if you like. It&#8217;d help make owning an ebook as simple and straightforward as owning a book.</p>
<p>&#8211;Mike Perry, Inkling Books, Seattle.</p>
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		<title>By: igorsk</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-895134</link>
		<dc:creator>igorsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The info was provided by Gary Gibson (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247249&amp;postcount=25). I&#039;ve bought and downloaded three books in the &quot;Adobe Digital Editions&quot; format and they are indeed plain unencrypted EPUBs. I did not check other formats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The info was provided by Gary Gibson (<a href="http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247249&#038;postcount=25" rel="nofollow">http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247249&#038;postcount=25</a>). I&#8217;ve bought and downloaded three books in the &#8220;Adobe Digital Editions&#8221; format and they are indeed plain unencrypted EPUBs. I did not check other formats.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-895046</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point, Chris--yes, you can make Web sites out of others. But as I recall, it still should be easier with ePub, at least in future versions. Let me alert Jon Noring for a definitive answer here.   Thanks. David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point, Chris&#8211;yes, you can make Web sites out of others. But as I recall, it still should be easier with ePub, at least in future versions. Let me alert Jon Noring for a definitive answer here.   Thanks. David</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-895038</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To note, there&#039;s nothing magical about ePub exploding into HTML files that can be used &quot;to turn e-books into websites.&quot; The DRM-crackers available for .LIT, MobiPocket, and eReader explode into HTML as well (which is, at least for eReader, a bit of a feat in my opinion, given that eReader files are compiled out of a most non-HTML-style markup).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To note, there&#8217;s nothing magical about ePub exploding into HTML files that can be used &#8220;to turn e-books into websites.&#8221; The DRM-crackers available for .LIT, MobiPocket, and eReader explode into HTML as well (which is, at least for eReader, a bit of a feat in my opinion, given that eReader files are compiled out of a most non-HTML-style markup).</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-895019</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Igorsk. I&#039;m hoping you&#039;re right. But a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.panmacmillan.com/Categories/Ebooks/displayPage.asp?PageTitle=Ebooks%20information%20and%20help&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pan Macmillan page on e-books&lt;/a&gt; doesn&#039;t play up the &quot;No DRM&quot; angle, which I suspect it would if PM had dropped &quot;protection.&quot; Got any URLs? Thanks. David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Igorsk. I&#8217;m hoping you&#8217;re right. But a <a href="http://www.panmacmillan.com/Categories/Ebooks/displayPage.asp?PageTitle=Ebooks%20information%20and%20help" rel="nofollow">Pan Macmillan page on e-books</a> doesn&#8217;t play up the &#8220;No DRM&#8221; angle, which I suspect it would if PM had dropped &#8220;protection.&#8221; Got any URLs? Thanks. David</p>
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		<title>By: igorsk</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-895002</link>
		<dc:creator>igorsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I somehow missed that post, but it seems to imply that it&#039;s a single-book deal. Apparently, &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; ebooks currently offered by panmacmillan.com are DRM-free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I somehow missed that post, but it seems to imply that it&#8217;s a single-book deal. Apparently, <b>all</b> ebooks currently offered by panmacmillan.com are DRM-free.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/drm/epub-and-the-piracy-issue-benefits-dwarf-risks-2/comment-page-1/#comment-894993</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Igorsk. We&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teleread.com/blog/2008/04/09/cultural-amnesia-drm-free-book-from-pan-macmillan-writer-clive-james/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reported this before&lt;/a&gt;, but I wonder if you&#039;re thinking of anything newer. Meanwhile I appreciate your reminding people of a positive example. David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Igorsk. We&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.teleread.com/blog/2008/04/09/cultural-amnesia-drm-free-book-from-pan-macmillan-writer-clive-james/" rel="nofollow">reported this before</a>, but I wonder if you&#8217;re thinking of anything newer. Meanwhile I appreciate your reminding people of a positive example. David</p>
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