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	<title>Comments on: Truman quote debate hits gossip site: Follow-up on TeleBlog post about N.Y. Times columnist Maureen Dowd</title>
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		<title>By: Garson O'Toole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garson O'Toole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quote attributed to Truman about friendship and dogs is very popular, so I decided to do some searching. The earliest citation that has an attribution to Harry Truman that I could find today using the internet was inside a book of quotations:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Truman, Harry S.. You want a friend in this life, get a dog. New West, Vol. 3, p. 33, Dec 4, 78. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
In the “Dictionary of Contemporary Quotations” by John Gordon Burke (1981), J. G. Burke distributed by Gaylord. This information was found via Google Book Search but it can be checked more directly using the website of an organization called the “Magazine Research Center”. There is a query engine for an updated version of the “Dictionary of Contemporary Quotations” &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.magazineresearchcenter.com/dcq.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt; and a search with “speaker: Truman” and “keyword: dog” yields the information above.

So John Gordon Burke is pointing to “New West” magazine, Vol. 3, p. 33, December 4, 1978 as a seminal document. Wikipedia gives some background on the magazine as follows “New West, a sister magazine on &quot;New York&quot;&#039;s model that covered California life, was also published for a few years in the 1970s.” This quote citation is indirect and I have not actually seen this issue of “New West”. If some blog reader has access to old issues of “New West” or a database it would be useful to have a larger context for the text. 

Recall that the play by Samuel G. Gallu, &quot;Give &#039;Em Hell, Harry,&quot; was produced on Broadway in 1975. So it is possible that the “New West” writer was influenced by the play. Yet the play is a dramatic work that may have been fictionalized. The quote it contains may have been misattributed, concocted, or inaccurate.

When did the city of Washington appear in the quote? It happened by 1987 and that is before Maureen Dowd’s 1989 column.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ll close with some words from Harry Truman: &#039;&#039;If you want a friend in Washington, buy a dog.&#039;&#039; MICHAEL J. BOSKIN Stanford economics professor. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
In the New York Times article “Prospects” dated June 7, 1987. The article solicited advice for Alan Greenspan who was the incoming Chairman of the Federal Reserve. Boskin was one of the advice givers.
&lt;blockquote&gt;As President Truman once put it, &#039;&#039;If you want a friend in Washington, buy a dog.&#039;&#039;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In a letter to the New York Times dated October 15, 1987 by TIMOTHY B. NORBECK Executive Director Connecticut State Medical Society New Haven. The existence of these two letters suggests that the incorporation of Washington into the dubious quote had already disseminated from coast to coast by 1987.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quote attributed to Truman about friendship and dogs is very popular, so I decided to do some searching. The earliest citation that has an attribution to Harry Truman that I could find today using the internet was inside a book of quotations:</p>
<blockquote><p>Truman, Harry S.. You want a friend in this life, get a dog. New West, Vol. 3, p. 33, Dec 4, 78. </p></blockquote>
<p>In the “Dictionary of Contemporary Quotations” by John Gordon Burke (1981), J. G. Burke distributed by Gaylord. This information was found via Google Book Search but it can be checked more directly using the website of an organization called the “Magazine Research Center”. There is a query engine for an updated version of the “Dictionary of Contemporary Quotations” <a HREF="http://www.magazineresearchcenter.com/dcq.cfm" rel="nofollow">here</a> and a search with “speaker: Truman” and “keyword: dog” yields the information above.</p>
<p>So John Gordon Burke is pointing to “New West” magazine, Vol. 3, p. 33, December 4, 1978 as a seminal document. Wikipedia gives some background on the magazine as follows “New West, a sister magazine on &#8220;New York&#8221;&#8216;s model that covered California life, was also published for a few years in the 1970s.” This quote citation is indirect and I have not actually seen this issue of “New West”. If some blog reader has access to old issues of “New West” or a database it would be useful to have a larger context for the text. </p>
<p>Recall that the play by Samuel G. Gallu, &#8220;Give &#8216;Em Hell, Harry,&#8221; was produced on Broadway in 1975. So it is possible that the “New West” writer was influenced by the play. Yet the play is a dramatic work that may have been fictionalized. The quote it contains may have been misattributed, concocted, or inaccurate.</p>
<p>When did the city of Washington appear in the quote? It happened by 1987 and that is before Maureen Dowd’s 1989 column.</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ll close with some words from Harry Truman: &#8221;If you want a friend in Washington, buy a dog.&#8221; MICHAEL J. BOSKIN Stanford economics professor. </p></blockquote>
<p>In the New York Times article “Prospects” dated June 7, 1987. The article solicited advice for Alan Greenspan who was the incoming Chairman of the Federal Reserve. Boskin was one of the advice givers.</p>
<blockquote><p>As President Truman once put it, &#8221;If you want a friend in Washington, buy a dog.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>In a letter to the New York Times dated October 15, 1987 by TIMOTHY B. NORBECK Executive Director Connecticut State Medical Society New Haven. The existence of these two letters suggests that the incorporation of Washington into the dubious quote had already disseminated from coast to coast by 1987.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garson, thanks for understanding the importance of this. Yes, it should be clear that the Roberts item brings the Dowd quote issue within Clark Hoyt&#039;s jurisdiction. Investigate the Roberts article instead? Sure, LOL.

If I really need to, perhaps I can try to contact Roberts and others who relied on the Dowd quote and see what they feel about its being out there---ready to trap the unwary. But before I do that, maybe I&#039;ll do a wrap-up for Hoyt and see if that finally gets his attention.

I still haven&#039;t heard from Dowd, by the way. While Hoyt&#039;s office wouldn&#039;t share her e-mail address, I&#039;ve now used the Web form twice. No reply after a day.

So now, instead of simply asking Hoyt&#039;s office for her e-mail address, I&#039;m going to see if it&#039;ll investigate Dowd. The idea isn&#039;t to get her fired unless something totally outrageous happened; I just want to know why this apparent fiction has been on the Web so long from a paper of record. And how did it happen in the first place? No jihad against the Times. Beyond my interest in the accuracy of The Solomon Scandals, it&#039;s in fact a sign of respect that I care about the matter. I&#039;d never go to this trouble if she&#039;d been writing for Podunk Daily.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garson, thanks for understanding the importance of this. Yes, it should be clear that the Roberts item brings the Dowd quote issue within Clark Hoyt&#8217;s jurisdiction. Investigate the Roberts article instead? Sure, LOL.</p>
<p>If I really need to, perhaps I can try to contact Roberts and others who relied on the Dowd quote and see what they feel about its being out there&#8212;ready to trap the unwary. But before I do that, maybe I&#8217;ll do a wrap-up for Hoyt and see if that finally gets his attention.</p>
<p>I still haven&#8217;t heard from Dowd, by the way. While Hoyt&#8217;s office wouldn&#8217;t share her e-mail address, I&#8217;ve now used the Web form twice. No reply after a day.</p>
<p>So now, instead of simply asking Hoyt&#8217;s office for her e-mail address, I&#8217;m going to see if it&#8217;ll investigate Dowd. The idea isn&#8217;t to get her fired unless something totally outrageous happened; I just want to know why this apparent fiction has been on the Web so long from a paper of record. And how did it happen in the first place? No jihad against the Times. Beyond my interest in the accuracy of The Solomon Scandals, it&#8217;s in fact a sign of respect that I care about the matter. I&#8217;d never go to this trouble if she&#8217;d been writing for Podunk Daily.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Garson O'Toole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garson O'Toole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be able to convince New York Times ombudsman Clark Hoyt to investigate now because of the more recent article by Sam Roberts that you link. It contains a paraphrase of the dubious quote attributed to Truman and it is dated September 27, 2007.

Since Hoyt’s term began on May 14, 2007 (according to your previous post) the September 2007 version of the quote should be within his purview. Maybe you could ask Hoyt to investigate the article by Roberts instead of the one by Dowd?

The quest may seem quixotic to some but I can understand your deep interest in the accuracy of your own book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be able to convince New York Times ombudsman Clark Hoyt to investigate now because of the more recent article by Sam Roberts that you link. It contains a paraphrase of the dubious quote attributed to Truman and it is dated September 27, 2007.</p>
<p>Since Hoyt’s term began on May 14, 2007 (according to your previous post) the September 2007 version of the quote should be within his purview. Maybe you could ask Hoyt to investigate the article by Roberts instead of the one by Dowd?</p>
<p>The quest may seem quixotic to some but I can understand your deep interest in the accuracy of your own book.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks MMD. But consider the real point of the bone chewing. Ms. Dowd is refusing to do a retraction or explain why she won&#039;t despite the evidence from the Truman Library, and the Times&#039; public editor won&#039;t even share her e-mail address to help me get an explanation. The greater issue is, Does anyone care about accurate history, in this case, at a newspaper of record? And what about media accountability in the era of the Net? As both a New York Times fan and the writer of a newspaper novel, I care immensely about such matters. Glad to see you here, whether or not we agree on the importance of the Dowd question. Thanks. David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks MMD. But consider the real point of the bone chewing. Ms. Dowd is refusing to do a retraction or explain why she won&#8217;t despite the evidence from the Truman Library, and the Times&#8217; public editor won&#8217;t even share her e-mail address to help me get an explanation. The greater issue is, Does anyone care about accurate history, in this case, at a newspaper of record? And what about media accountability in the era of the Net? As both a New York Times fan and the writer of a newspaper novel, I care immensely about such matters. Glad to see you here, whether or not we agree on the importance of the Dowd question. Thanks. David</p>
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		<title>By: Mo MoDo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo MoDo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are really a dog with a bone on this issue. All that is going to happen is that the quote will become &quot;attributed to Harry Truman&quot;. Imagine if someone expunged all the phrases attributed to Mark Twain or Winston Churchill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are really a dog with a bone on this issue. All that is going to happen is that the quote will become &#8220;attributed to Harry Truman&#8221;. Imagine if someone expunged all the phrases attributed to Mark Twain or Winston Churchill.</p>
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