Comments on: Technodunci? Items older than 6 months zapped from Technorati. Opening for Brewster and libraries? http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/technodunci-items-older-than-6-month-zapped-from-technorati-opening-for-brewster-and-libraries/ News & views on e-books, libraries, publishing and related topics Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:23:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Joseph Gray http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/technodunci-items-older-than-6-month-zapped-from-technorati-opening-for-brewster-and-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-608441 Joseph Gray Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:02:52 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=7500#comment-608441 The Dilbert blog incident brings up a good question. How ethical (and perhaps legal) is it for someone like Adams to take all of those comments by others, restrict them and make a buck off of them? Did he inform his contributers beforehand that he might do this? Is he going to compensate those contributers with a portion of the sale of his book? Afterall, the comments of the contributers and the associated copyright belongs to the contributer, by default. Did Adams ask them to waive their copyrights by posting on his blog? The Dilbert blog incident brings up a good question. How ethical (and perhaps legal) is it for someone like Adams to take all of those comments by others, restrict them and make a buck off of them? Did he inform his contributers beforehand that he might do this? Is he going to compensate those contributers with a portion of the sale of his book? Afterall, the comments of the contributers and the associated copyright belongs to the contributer, by default. Did Adams ask them to waive their copyrights by posting on his blog?

]]> By: David Rothman http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/technodunci-items-older-than-6-month-zapped-from-technorati-opening-for-brewster-and-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-608404 David Rothman Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:06:38 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=7500#comment-608404 Jeff and Brian: Heck, at least libraries could save the more important blogs as defined by the librarians. As for others, Brewster or someone like him could offer a subscription-based service. Meanwhile keep in mind that storage and bandwidth costs are declining. And no need to print out anything; well, unless the librarians see exceptions here! At any rate, at least blogs will be important in terms of culture, local history, you name it. Re Google: Private company. No telling what it might do or not do with the info in the future. It's a corporation, not a philanthropy. Thanks. David Jeff and Brian: Heck, at least libraries could save the more important blogs as defined by the librarians. As for others, Brewster or someone like him could offer a subscription-based service. Meanwhile keep in mind that storage and bandwidth costs are declining. And no need to print out anything; well, unless the librarians see exceptions here! At any rate, at least blogs will be important in terms of culture, local history, you name it. Re Google: Private company. No telling what it might do or not do with the info in the future. It’s a corporation, not a philanthropy. Thanks. David

]]> By: Brian Carnell http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/technodunci-items-older-than-6-month-zapped-from-technorati-opening-for-brewster-and-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-608401 Brian Carnell Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:59:07 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=7500#comment-608401 "This illustrates both the scary future scenario when all information is digital, and (if locked into copyrighted fortresses) capable of being changed or deleted with a few keystrokes — and the ugliness of the present/past when information was confined within the perishable pages of a few hundred (or just a few) p-books or scrolls." Very interesting. Several years ago I posted on my blog about a very blatant error at the BBC. People started calling me an idiot because when they went to the BBC story, the error wasn't anywhere to be seen. The BBC had updated the story and their original error went down the memory hole (very unethical imo but that's another story). Since then I've used Slogger (http://www.kenschutte.com/slogger/) in Firefox to automatically make a local copy of every single web page I've visited. Compressed at the highest setting into daily zip files, its about 25gb per year of storage. Index with something like DTSearch (http://www.dtsearch.com/) and you pretty much never have that happen to you again. “This illustrates both the scary future scenario when all information is digital, and (if locked into copyrighted fortresses) capable of being changed or deleted with a few keystrokes — and the ugliness of the present/past when information was confined within the perishable pages of a few hundred (or just a few) p-books or scrolls.”

Very interesting.

Several years ago I posted on my blog about a very blatant error at the BBC. People started calling me an idiot because when they went to the BBC story, the error wasn’t anywhere to be seen. The BBC had updated the story and their original error went down the memory hole (very unethical imo but that’s another story).

Since then I’ve used Slogger (http://www.kenschutte.com/slogger/) in Firefox to automatically make a local copy of every single web page I’ve visited. Compressed at the highest setting into daily zip files, its about 25gb per year of storage. Index with something like DTSearch (http://www.dtsearch.com/) and you pretty much never have that happen to you again.

]]> By: Technorati Deletes Index, Hopes Customers Won’t Notice| Zoli’s Blog http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/technodunci-items-older-than-6-month-zapped-from-technorati-opening-for-brewster-and-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-608394 Technorati Deletes Index, Hopes Customers Won’t Notice| Zoli’s Blog Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:55:17 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=7500#comment-608394 [...] are up in smoke: it’s on TechCrunch, TechMeme and a bunch of blogs including hyku | blog, TeleRead, Susan Mernit’s Blog, Deep Jive Interests, Data Mining, WinExtra, Kevin Burton’s NEW [...] [...] are up in smoke: it’s on TechCrunch, TechMeme and a bunch of blogs including hyku | blog, TeleRead, Susan Mernit’s Blog, Deep Jive Interests, Data Mining, WinExtra, Kevin Burton’s NEW [...]

]]> By: pond http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/technodunci-items-older-than-6-month-zapped-from-technorati-opening-for-brewster-and-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-608380 pond Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:29:54 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=7500#comment-608380 Archives add a lot of bulk to the servers, increasing costs. In a related loss of info, Scott Adams (Dilbert comic creator) occasionally blogs on the lack of free will in humans, us "moist robots" and those posts always draw huge numbers of comments (the Dilbert blog always seems to generate a couple hundred comments per post, but the free will posts go off the charts, 300, 400 as I recall). I was researching the topic and wanted to check Adams's archives for links to scientific articles, when I found his archives only go back for a limited time. A couple of weeks later he announced that he had taken his back archives offline because he'd gotten an offer by a publisher to put the posts and comments into a new book (now on sale). This illustrates both the scary future scenario when all information is digital, and (if locked into copyrighted fortresses) capable of being changed or deleted with a few keystrokes --- and the ugliness of the present/past when information was confined within the perishable pages of a few hundred (or just a few) p-books or scrolls. Most of Sappho's poetry, and Aristotle's treatise on comedy along with much else, was lost via the latter; and nobody can even guess how much will be lost via the former. Archives add a lot of bulk to the servers, increasing costs.

In a related loss of info, Scott Adams (Dilbert comic creator) occasionally blogs on the lack of free will in humans, us “moist robots” and those posts always draw huge numbers of comments (the Dilbert blog always seems to generate a couple hundred comments per post, but the free will posts go off the charts, 300, 400 as I recall). I was researching the topic and wanted to check Adams’s archives for links to scientific articles, when I found his archives only go back for a limited time.

A couple of weeks later he announced that he had taken his back archives offline because he’d gotten an offer by a publisher to put the posts and comments into a new book (now on sale).

This illustrates both the scary future scenario when all information is digital, and (if locked into copyrighted fortresses) capable of being changed or deleted with a few keystrokes — and the ugliness of the present/past when information was confined within the perishable pages of a few hundred (or just a few) p-books or scrolls.

Most of Sappho’s poetry, and Aristotle’s treatise on comedy along with much else, was lost via the latter; and nobody can even guess how much will be lost via the former.

]]> By: Brian Carnell http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/technodunci-items-older-than-6-month-zapped-from-technorati-opening-for-brewster-and-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-608298 Brian Carnell Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:30:40 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=7500#comment-608298 @Jeff ... LOL. Isn't the bottom line here that Technorati's found out there isn't much of a business model behind their blog search engine, so this is an instantaneous way of saving money? Didn't the Internet Archive have a similar issue for awhile (maybe it still does) where the Wayback Machine was like 6 months to a year out of date for most sites because of similar issues? I've never used Technorati to actually search for anything except for the ego search variety. There's this other search engine I use by default called Google... @Jeff … LOL.

Isn’t the bottom line here that Technorati’s found out there isn’t much of a business model behind their blog search engine, so this is an instantaneous way of saving money? Didn’t the Internet Archive have a similar issue for awhile (maybe it still does) where the Wayback Machine was like 6 months to a year out of date for most sites because of similar issues?

I’ve never used Technorati to actually search for anything except for the ego search variety. There’s this other search engine I use by default called Google…

]]> By: Jeff http://www.teleread.com/ebooks/technodunci-items-older-than-6-month-zapped-from-technorati-opening-for-brewster-and-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-608294 Jeff Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:14:20 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=7500#comment-608294 Yes all libraries are working now towards printing out all blogs and posts and keeping them in an archive. :) Yes all libraries are working now towards printing out all blogs and posts and keeping them in an archive. :)

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