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		<title>By: Branko Collin</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/copy-right/sfwa-prez-acknowledges-authors-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-531777</link>
		<dc:creator>Branko Collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it wasn&#039;t sarcasm, I think I made a genuine mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it wasn&#8217;t sarcasm, I think I made a genuine mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/copy-right/sfwa-prez-acknowledges-authors-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-531768</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Branko:

I can&#039;t tell whther that last response was sarcasm, or not. So I&#039;ll assume not, unless you say otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Branko:</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell whther that last response was sarcasm, or not. So I&#8217;ll assume not, unless you say otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Branko Collin</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/copy-right/sfwa-prez-acknowledges-authors-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-531023</link>
		<dc:creator>Branko Collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;I think there’s a good case to be made that US federal law does try to protect the ‘authors moral rights’ you’re discussing.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Indeed. It just isn&#039;t part of copyright law. I have a right to my reputation regardless of whether I am not an author. 

&quot;&lt;i&gt;But all of this, while interesting, is pretty far outside of what Capobianco was talking about.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Hm, you&#039;re probably right there. He says that &quot;SFWA stands for &lt;em&gt;the author’s&lt;/em&gt; rights,&quot; not &quot;SFWA stands for &lt;em&gt;author’s rights&lt;/em&gt;&quot;. I must have glossed over that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>I think there’s a good case to be made that US federal law does try to protect the ‘authors moral rights’ you’re discussing.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed. It just isn&#8217;t part of copyright law. I have a right to my reputation regardless of whether I am not an author. </p>
<p>&#8220;<i>But all of this, while interesting, is pretty far outside of what Capobianco was talking about.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Hm, you&#8217;re probably right there. He says that &#8220;SFWA stands for <em>the author’s</em> rights,&#8221; not &#8220;SFWA stands for <em>author’s rights</em>&#8220;. I must have glossed over that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/copy-right/sfwa-prez-acknowledges-authors-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-530617</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Branko,

When the US Congress attempted to &#039;square up&#039; US law with the Berne Convention, they held that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bitlaw.com/source/15usc/1125.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;section 43 of the Lanham Act&lt;/a&gt; already protects an authors right to attribution, therefore it did not need to be restated in the copyright laws I&#039;ve linked above and below. Additionally it was held that this law would prohibit the publishing of a &#039;multilated&#039; (your word) work under the original author&#039;s name; this was upheld in &lt;i&gt;Granz v. Harris&lt;/i&gt; which essentially held that it was unfair competition to present an abridged work under the original author&#039;s name. Courts have also held that &quot;it is an actionable wrong to hold out the artist as author of a version which substantially departs from the original.&quot; Also note that our Title 17, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000106----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;S106&lt;/a&gt; in the US copyright law I already linked, which says it is the copyright-holder&#039;s exclusive right to prepare or authorize derivative works based on the copyrighted work. Obviously, copyright vests initially in the author or authors of the original work (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000201----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;S201&lt;/a&gt;).

In your evaluation of our US Constution, I wasn&#039;t quite sure whether you meant &#039;state&#039; as being our federal government, or the individual state governments within it. Just to clarify, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Article 1, Section 8&lt;/a&gt; of our Constitution specifically gives the national Congress (ie Federal government) the power and duty &lt;i&gt;&quot;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries&quot;.&lt;/i&gt; However I wonder if you were really talking about paragraph {c} of our Title 17, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000104----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;S104&lt;/a&gt;? Either way, I&#039;m not a lawyer either, but I think there&#039;s a good case to be made that US federal law does try to protect the &#039;authors moral rights&#039; you&#039;re discussing.

I can see where there may be other situations that are not addressed as fully in US law the same as they are in the laws of other countries. But all of this, while interesting, is &lt;b&gt;pretty far outside of what Capobianco was talking about&lt;/b&gt;. He was referring specifically to an author&#039;s right to control who makes copies of his work; this is clearly protected in S106 as linked above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Branko,</p>
<p>When the US Congress attempted to &#8216;square up&#8217; US law with the Berne Convention, they held that <a href="http://www.bitlaw.com/source/15usc/1125.html" rel="nofollow">section 43 of the Lanham Act</a> already protects an authors right to attribution, therefore it did not need to be restated in the copyright laws I&#8217;ve linked above and below. Additionally it was held that this law would prohibit the publishing of a &#8216;multilated&#8217; (your word) work under the original author&#8217;s name; this was upheld in <i>Granz v. Harris</i> which essentially held that it was unfair competition to present an abridged work under the original author&#8217;s name. Courts have also held that &#8220;it is an actionable wrong to hold out the artist as author of a version which substantially departs from the original.&#8221; Also note that our Title 17, <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000106----000-.html" rel="nofollow">S106</a> in the US copyright law I already linked, which says it is the copyright-holder&#8217;s exclusive right to prepare or authorize derivative works based on the copyrighted work. Obviously, copyright vests initially in the author or authors of the original work (<a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000201----000-.html" rel="nofollow">S201</a>).</p>
<p>In your evaluation of our US Constution, I wasn&#8217;t quite sure whether you meant &#8216;state&#8217; as being our federal government, or the individual state governments within it. Just to clarify, <a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html" rel="nofollow"> Article 1, Section 8</a> of our Constitution specifically gives the national Congress (ie Federal government) the power and duty <i>&#8220;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries&#8221;.</i> However I wonder if you were really talking about paragraph {c} of our Title 17, <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000104----000-.html" rel="nofollow">S104</a>? Either way, I&#8217;m not a lawyer either, but I think there&#8217;s a good case to be made that US federal law does try to protect the &#8216;authors moral rights&#8217; you&#8217;re discussing.</p>
<p>I can see where there may be other situations that are not addressed as fully in US law the same as they are in the laws of other countries. But all of this, while interesting, is <b>pretty far outside of what Capobianco was talking about</b>. He was referring specifically to an author&#8217;s right to control who makes copies of his work; this is clearly protected in S106 as linked above.</p>
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		<title>By: Branko Collin</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/copy-right/sfwa-prez-acknowledges-authors-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-530422</link>
		<dc:creator>Branko Collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SFWA bullied Scribd.com into &quot;censoring&quot; authors. These authors had not given permission to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SFWA bullied Scribd.com into &#8220;censoring&#8221; authors. These authors had not given permission to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike G.</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/copy-right/sfwa-prez-acknowledges-authors-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-530071</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re missing something.  SFWA screwed up, yes, but in their implementation of what they were doing, not in their authorization to do it.  It was authorized by the authors (or estates) it was trying to act on behalf of.  It (well, Burt) just acted in a really stupid way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re missing something.  SFWA screwed up, yes, but in their implementation of what they were doing, not in their authorization to do it.  It was authorized by the authors (or estates) it was trying to act on behalf of.  It (well, Burt) just acted in a really stupid way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Branko Collin</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/copy-right/sfwa-prez-acknowledges-authors-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-529847</link>
		<dc:creator>Branko Collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure. As I said, in the English language the phrase &quot;author&#039;s rights&quot; refers to a large set of rights that are typically divided into economic and so-called moral rights. Examples of the latter are the &quot;right&quot; to be recognised as the author of a work you created, the &quot;right&quot; not to have a work mutilated, and so on.

In countries that recognize these so-called moral rights, the makers of copyright laws typically hold that these are intrinsic, human rights. They are, according to these law-makers, rights that an author has whether these rights are enshrined in law or not. (Although of course no government will recognize these rights as long as they are not enshrined in law.)

US law, as enshrined by its constitution, and as explained by its framers, does not hold that any of these rights are intrinsic, be they economic or &quot;moral&quot;. Instead, the constitution clearly states that they are the state&#039;s to grant and the state&#039;s to withdraw, and if the state does not grant these rights, they do not exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure. As I said, in the English language the phrase &#8220;author&#8217;s rights&#8221; refers to a large set of rights that are typically divided into economic and so-called moral rights. Examples of the latter are the &#8220;right&#8221; to be recognised as the author of a work you created, the &#8220;right&#8221; not to have a work mutilated, and so on.</p>
<p>In countries that recognize these so-called moral rights, the makers of copyright laws typically hold that these are intrinsic, human rights. They are, according to these law-makers, rights that an author has whether these rights are enshrined in law or not. (Although of course no government will recognize these rights as long as they are not enshrined in law.)</p>
<p>US law, as enshrined by its constitution, and as explained by its framers, does not hold that any of these rights are intrinsic, be they economic or &#8220;moral&#8221;. Instead, the constitution clearly states that they are the state&#8217;s to grant and the state&#8217;s to withdraw, and if the state does not grant these rights, they do not exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Branko:

Can you be more specific about which intrinsic rights you feel that USA law denies to the author? I thought &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000106----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;US copyright law&lt;/a&gt; was pretty specific? I await your response, but in the meantime it seems to me that Copobianco&#039;s statement expresses the spirit of our US laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Branko:</p>
<p>Can you be more specific about which intrinsic rights you feel that USA law denies to the author? I thought <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000106----000-.html" rel="nofollow">US copyright law</a> was pretty specific? I await your response, but in the meantime it seems to me that Copobianco&#8217;s statement expresses the spirit of our US laws.</p>
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