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	<title>Comments on: Mark Helprin&#8217;s copyright tale in the New York Times</title>
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		<title>By: Ruling Imagination: Law and Creativity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Art builds on art, be it Shepard Fairey&#8217;s Obama Hope poster or the re-tellings of myths and legends.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruling Imagination: Law and Creativity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Art builds on art, be it Shepard Fairey&#8217;s Obama Hope poster or the re-tellings of myths and legends.</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] they be students or parents who want wonderful audio stories for their kids. The people who like Mark Halperin, rich best-selling author and conservative pundit, bitch about copyright protection in an age in which digital information can be remixed and distributed worldwide by anyone with a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] they be students or parents who want wonderful audio stories for their kids. The people who like Mark Halperin, rich best-selling author and conservative pundit, bitch about copyright protection in an age in which digital information can be remixed and distributed worldwide by anyone with a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The OPLIN 4cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OPLIN 4cast #56</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OPLIN 4cast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OPLIN 4cast #56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark Helprin&#8217;s copyright tale in the New York Times (TeleRead: Bring the E-Books Home) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CSB / The Copyright Wars Report - the counter-offensive - by Simon Molloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>CSB / The Copyright Wars Report - the counter-offensive - by Simon Molloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 03:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Machina Memorialis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Responses to Helprin&#8217;s Bad Idea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Machina Memorialis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Responses to Helprin&#8217;s Bad Idea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 16:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In an OpEd piece in the NYT, Mark Helprin argues for perpetual copyright. In addition to the two responses If:Book points to (Lessing&#8217;s wiki-based collective response and David Rothman&#8217;s excellent critique), I want to draw attention to Bob Blechman&#8217;s musings on what a retroactive perpetual copyright might mean for him. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In an OpEd piece in the NYT, Mark Helprin argues for perpetual copyright. In addition to the two responses If:Book points to (Lessing&#8217;s wiki-based collective response and David Rothman&#8217;s excellent critique), I want to draw attention to Bob Blechman&#8217;s musings on what a retroactive perpetual copyright might mean for him. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Garson O'Toole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garson O'Toole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 09:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joanna and Man Ching mention J. K. Rowling’s intense desire to maintain tight control over her literary creations. There is a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://booksforkidsblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/making-of-wizard-ii-wizards-hall-by.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fun article&lt;/A&gt; at a book review website that compares Jane Yolen&#039;s novel “Wizard&#039;s Hall” with the books of J. K. Rowling. The website claims that “the basic structure of the Harry Potter series” was “laid out engagingly, wittily, and poetically by Jane Yolen almost a decade before Harry made his debut in the muggle world.” Here is part of the description of Yolen’s work:&lt;blockquote&gt;A young eleven-year-old, with green eyes and perennially disheveled hair, finds himself precipitously propelled into student life at a renowned school of wizardry over which hangs a sombre and threatening miasma. … The young novice is befriended and supported by an engaging group of first-year students, especially an intrepid girl with unusual hair and a boy who is the loyal best friend who sustains the novice&#039;s courage. Looming over the life of the school is the malevolent power of a former magister, a professor who has embraced the evil powers …&lt;/blockquote&gt;The article points out additional parallels; however, it does not claim that J. K. Rowling is a plagiarist. Instead it notes that “The formula is a time-honored one, combining as it does the camaraderie of the school story with the suspense and mystery of the fantasy story.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joanna and Man Ching mention J. K. Rowling’s intense desire to maintain tight control over her literary creations. There is a <a HREF="http://booksforkidsblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/making-of-wizard-ii-wizards-hall-by.html" rel="nofollow">fun article</a> at a book review website that compares Jane Yolen&#8217;s novel “Wizard&#8217;s Hall” with the books of J. K. Rowling. The website claims that “the basic structure of the Harry Potter series” was “laid out engagingly, wittily, and poetically by Jane Yolen almost a decade before Harry made his debut in the muggle world.” Here is part of the description of Yolen’s work:<br />
<blockquote>A young eleven-year-old, with green eyes and perennially disheveled hair, finds himself precipitously propelled into student life at a renowned school of wizardry over which hangs a sombre and threatening miasma. … The young novice is befriended and supported by an engaging group of first-year students, especially an intrepid girl with unusual hair and a boy who is the loyal best friend who sustains the novice&#8217;s courage. Looming over the life of the school is the malevolent power of a former magister, a professor who has embraced the evil powers …</p></blockquote>
<p>The article points out additional parallels; however, it does not claim that J. K. Rowling is a plagiarist. Instead it notes that “The formula is a time-honored one, combining as it does the camaraderie of the school story with the suspense and mystery of the fantasy story.”</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 00:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was a ridiculous and self-defeating essay - and blogged about it over on &lt;a href=&quot;http://acrlblog.org/2007/05/21/till-death-do-us-part-and-then-some/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ACRLog&lt;/a&gt;.

On taxing backlist books--iirc, the reason publishers were required to pay taxes on their warehoused inventory was because they wrote it off as a loss, then continued to sell it. When told they couldn&#039;t do that, it did lead to publishers pulping more books and books going out of print more quickly. But I kind of see why it happened. (Now, of course, they could just keep the .pdf file and print on demand, never give up their publication rights and never have to spend another dime, which is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/publishing/controversy_over_changes_to_sss_boilerplate_59270.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; causing concern&lt;/a&gt; among authors. I wonder if first publication rights could last longer than copyright?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was a ridiculous and self-defeating essay &#8211; and blogged about it over on <a href="http://acrlblog.org/2007/05/21/till-death-do-us-part-and-then-some/" rel="nofollow">ACRLog</a>.</p>
<p>On taxing backlist books&#8211;iirc, the reason publishers were required to pay taxes on their warehoused inventory was because they wrote it off as a loss, then continued to sell it. When told they couldn&#8217;t do that, it did lead to publishers pulping more books and books going out of print more quickly. But I kind of see why it happened. (Now, of course, they could just keep the .pdf file and print on demand, never give up their publication rights and never have to spend another dime, which is <a href="http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/publishing/controversy_over_changes_to_sss_boilerplate_59270.asp" rel="nofollow"> causing concern</a> among authors. I wonder if first publication rights could last longer than copyright?</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think J.K. Rowling might be a sort of Nimby-ism (not in my backyard). I wonder, if you got her on a panel discussion with the &quot;Wicked&quot; author, what she would say. After all, what he did (using Baum&#039;s work as his starting point) was perfectly legal. But obviously, she does not seem to want Dumbledore&#039;s childhood (for example) to be imagined 1000 years from now. But I wonder if she would even have precedent to make that illegal. There are so many derivative books already out there (Wide Sargasso Sea from Jane Eyre, Wicked from Wizard of Oz, Phantom from Phantom of the Opera, Coetzee&#039;s &#039;Foe&#039; from Robinson Crusoe etc.) Are those &#039;fanfic&#039; or &#039;fair use derivative works? Coetzee won a Nobel Prize! As I understand it, the purpose of cipyright, of the establishment of the public domain in the first place, was to promote creativity---not &#039;lock down the concept of talking animals forever&#039; but &#039;allow you to get fair profit from your idea before it goes into the common pool of human knowledge where anyone can use it&#039; Could I or should I copy out Wuthering Heights word for word and try to sell it as my own? No. But can I write about Heathcliff&#039;s father? Yes. Why not? It doesn&#039;t diminish the original work, which is there for people to read. It just creates more literature, which can&#039;t be a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think J.K. Rowling might be a sort of Nimby-ism (not in my backyard). I wonder, if you got her on a panel discussion with the &#8220;Wicked&#8221; author, what she would say. After all, what he did (using Baum&#8217;s work as his starting point) was perfectly legal. But obviously, she does not seem to want Dumbledore&#8217;s childhood (for example) to be imagined 1000 years from now. But I wonder if she would even have precedent to make that illegal. There are so many derivative books already out there (Wide Sargasso Sea from Jane Eyre, Wicked from Wizard of Oz, Phantom from Phantom of the Opera, Coetzee&#8217;s &#8216;Foe&#8217; from Robinson Crusoe etc.) Are those &#8216;fanfic&#8217; or &#8216;fair use derivative works? Coetzee won a Nobel Prize! As I understand it, the purpose of cipyright, of the establishment of the public domain in the first place, was to promote creativity&#8212;not &#8216;lock down the concept of talking animals forever&#8217; but &#8216;allow you to get fair profit from your idea before it goes into the common pool of human knowledge where anyone can use it&#8217; Could I or should I copy out Wuthering Heights word for word and try to sell it as my own? No. But can I write about Heathcliff&#8217;s father? Yes. Why not? It doesn&#8217;t diminish the original work, which is there for people to read. It just creates more literature, which can&#8217;t be a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mark Ockerbloom</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mark Ockerbloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Nagle: Indeed.  We *have* _The Garden Party_ on our site, so that anyone can read it for free online.  And no, we don&#039;t make a dime off it, and that&#039;s just fine with us.

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/mansfield/garden/garden.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Nagle: Indeed.  We *have* _The Garden Party_ on our site, so that anyone can read it for free online.  And no, we don&#8217;t make a dime off it, and that&#8217;s just fine with us.</p>
<p><a href="http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/mansfield/garden/garden.html" rel="nofollow">http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/mansfield/garden/garden.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Man Ching</title>
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		<dc:creator>Man Ching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 17:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if I gave the impression I support perpetual copyrights. I do not. Since there is an inverse relationship between long-windedness and effective information transfer, I shall have to retry. 

Copyright is not going away. Helprin&#039;s article suggests that he has no idea what it is he wishes to protect. As Joanna points out, there is the physical fruits of the labor that is protected. Ingenious authors and heirs can find some way or wringing more money from this work. 

Fine. Of course, that&#039;s what I want. But if this is the case, what does copyright protect? Plagiarism? Derivatives? Does IP cover the characters? The plot? The McGuffin devices used the novel? Helprin&#039;s piece is clear on one thing: he doesn&#039;t know what it is he&#039;s protecting.  And the real problem is that when the copyright is enforced, there are only a few people who have to power to decide whether the infringement rises above some threshold which he deemed outright copying.

My point is that authors ought to have their works protect insofar as it allows them to send it to a publisher and not have someone rip off your cover page and stick their own on it. But that&#039;s already the case. However, the types of arguments Helprin makes seduces rational people - because he is right. There is that strong desire to pass wealth off to the kids. So long as Helprin confuses protection of derivation and protection from plagiarism, and he stands on a higher and more visible soapbox than you and me, then we have that huge duty to rephrase the argument.

Yes, JK Rowling is short-sighted in that she does not wish what amounts to fan fiction and unauthorized works. I don&#039;t care about the argument that others can or cannot use the characters from her book. I do care when this argument will eventually be subverted by IP lawyers to bring lawsuits against people who write about children wizards who go to school. The problem with protection from derivation is that the &quot;protection&quot; is extensible. I fear that lawsuits and enforcement practices will lead to broader and broader definitions of derivatives. Which  means that it is only a matter of time until someone makes the silly (in practice), but legally correct argument, that all talking animals are derivatives of  Mickey Mouse. Or that DC can sue the pants of Marvel and all other comic publishers  because all superheroes with superpowers are essentially knock offs of Superman and all superheroes without superpowers are copies of Batman.

And since public domain has too much of the &quot;freedom from&quot; rights associated with it, one must re-pitch this argument to include Creative Commons sorts of &quot;affirmative rights&quot; - such as the ability to keep the central work intact - and explicitly, if redundantly, let authors know that their books are sacrosanct - but allows for original works based on the same universe. That is, in a sense, the price one pays for being an author. Who&#039;s the say that the &quot;seeding&quot; didn&#039;t come from a piece that was pivotal in the artist&#039;s development?

I admit I haven&#039;t said anything different from pro-CC folks. I wrote my comment because I was distressed at the confusion on Helprin&#039;s part about what he wants to protect. I think it is important to point out, if redundantly that without something like public domain or CC,   we&#039;ll be burdened with lawsuits from lawyers who aggressively cast a wider net to include more and more general cases (i.e. again, suing an author for writing a story that  includes the basic plot of &quot;boy meets girl&quot;.) And you know if it can be done, it will be done. It is a matter of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if I gave the impression I support perpetual copyrights. I do not. Since there is an inverse relationship between long-windedness and effective information transfer, I shall have to retry. </p>
<p>Copyright is not going away. Helprin&#8217;s article suggests that he has no idea what it is he wishes to protect. As Joanna points out, there is the physical fruits of the labor that is protected. Ingenious authors and heirs can find some way or wringing more money from this work. </p>
<p>Fine. Of course, that&#8217;s what I want. But if this is the case, what does copyright protect? Plagiarism? Derivatives? Does IP cover the characters? The plot? The McGuffin devices used the novel? Helprin&#8217;s piece is clear on one thing: he doesn&#8217;t know what it is he&#8217;s protecting.  And the real problem is that when the copyright is enforced, there are only a few people who have to power to decide whether the infringement rises above some threshold which he deemed outright copying.</p>
<p>My point is that authors ought to have their works protect insofar as it allows them to send it to a publisher and not have someone rip off your cover page and stick their own on it. But that&#8217;s already the case. However, the types of arguments Helprin makes seduces rational people &#8211; because he is right. There is that strong desire to pass wealth off to the kids. So long as Helprin confuses protection of derivation and protection from plagiarism, and he stands on a higher and more visible soapbox than you and me, then we have that huge duty to rephrase the argument.</p>
<p>Yes, JK Rowling is short-sighted in that she does not wish what amounts to fan fiction and unauthorized works. I don&#8217;t care about the argument that others can or cannot use the characters from her book. I do care when this argument will eventually be subverted by IP lawyers to bring lawsuits against people who write about children wizards who go to school. The problem with protection from derivation is that the &#8220;protection&#8221; is extensible. I fear that lawsuits and enforcement practices will lead to broader and broader definitions of derivatives. Which  means that it is only a matter of time until someone makes the silly (in practice), but legally correct argument, that all talking animals are derivatives of  Mickey Mouse. Or that DC can sue the pants of Marvel and all other comic publishers  because all superheroes with superpowers are essentially knock offs of Superman and all superheroes without superpowers are copies of Batman.</p>
<p>And since public domain has too much of the &#8220;freedom from&#8221; rights associated with it, one must re-pitch this argument to include Creative Commons sorts of &#8220;affirmative rights&#8221; &#8211; such as the ability to keep the central work intact &#8211; and explicitly, if redundantly, let authors know that their books are sacrosanct &#8211; but allows for original works based on the same universe. That is, in a sense, the price one pays for being an author. Who&#8217;s the say that the &#8220;seeding&#8221; didn&#8217;t come from a piece that was pivotal in the artist&#8217;s development?</p>
<p>I admit I haven&#8217;t said anything different from pro-CC folks. I wrote my comment because I was distressed at the confusion on Helprin&#8217;s part about what he wants to protect. I think it is important to point out, if redundantly that without something like public domain or CC,   we&#8217;ll be burdened with lawsuits from lawyers who aggressively cast a wider net to include more and more general cases (i.e. again, suing an author for writing a story that  includes the basic plot of &#8220;boy meets girl&#8221;.) And you know if it can be done, it will be done. It is a matter of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 15:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing, you and your heirs do still own the &#039;physical&#039; spoils of your work. I remember reading that J.K. Rowling wrote all of her manuscripts by hand. I imagine those physical manuscripts, which she could of course will to whomever she wishes, would fetch a good price, no matter whomt he cppyright &#039;belongs&#039; to at that point. I also know that Lucy Maud Montgomery&#039;s heirs continue to profit by merchandising tours, dolls and ancillary merchandise as being &#039;official&#039; notwithstanding the works being in the public domain. If my hypotehtical heirs wanted to cash in on my hypothetical cult novel, they could always package a new edition with an intro (&#039;by the author&#039;s own son/grandson/nephew!&#039;) and sell that (just as the publishing houses could of course sell a plain vanilla one with their own intro). Clever merchandisers will always find a way to profit off of things they wish to profit on.

It reminds me of the desperation through which the music industry is clinging to their outmoded business model and saying it&#039;s the only way while people like Jonathan Coulton are doing just fine forging a new way. Or the way the publishing industry is saying e-books are ging to kill us all while podcaster Scott Sigler just signed a six figure deal. As I said :) The clever will always find a way to do whatever they want to. If J.K. Rowling thinks she can stop people from writing future derivative Harry Potter works by killing everybody off (as I have seen her allege in interviews) than she has a very limited business imagination and she is being ridiculous. Killing everybody off now doesn&#039;t stop a future Gregory McGuire from writing a &quot;Wicked&quot; style account of Dumbledore&#039;s childhood. Nor does it stop anyone from reviving any of the other characters either---the book is about magic, for heaven&#039;s sake :) And a hundred years from now? It would be fair use. J.K.&#039;s great-grandchildren can earn their keep just like the rest of us. And if they are so worried about the potential of a &quot;Dumbledore&#039;s childhood&quot; book, let them write it themsevles and profit accordingly.

Sorry to be so long-winded, David :) I guess I am just passionate about this topic. And I should add, I am a writer too and it does not threaten me at all to suppose that my work will enter the public domain after a reasonable period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing, you and your heirs do still own the &#8216;physical&#8217; spoils of your work. I remember reading that J.K. Rowling wrote all of her manuscripts by hand. I imagine those physical manuscripts, which she could of course will to whomever she wishes, would fetch a good price, no matter whomt he cppyright &#8216;belongs&#8217; to at that point. I also know that Lucy Maud Montgomery&#8217;s heirs continue to profit by merchandising tours, dolls and ancillary merchandise as being &#8216;official&#8217; notwithstanding the works being in the public domain. If my hypotehtical heirs wanted to cash in on my hypothetical cult novel, they could always package a new edition with an intro (&#8216;by the author&#8217;s own son/grandson/nephew!&#8217;) and sell that (just as the publishing houses could of course sell a plain vanilla one with their own intro). Clever merchandisers will always find a way to profit off of things they wish to profit on.</p>
<p>It reminds me of the desperation through which the music industry is clinging to their outmoded business model and saying it&#8217;s the only way while people like Jonathan Coulton are doing just fine forging a new way. Or the way the publishing industry is saying e-books are ging to kill us all while podcaster Scott Sigler just signed a six figure deal. As I said <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  The clever will always find a way to do whatever they want to. If J.K. Rowling thinks she can stop people from writing future derivative Harry Potter works by killing everybody off (as I have seen her allege in interviews) than she has a very limited business imagination and she is being ridiculous. Killing everybody off now doesn&#8217;t stop a future Gregory McGuire from writing a &#8220;Wicked&#8221; style account of Dumbledore&#8217;s childhood. Nor does it stop anyone from reviving any of the other characters either&#8212;the book is about magic, for heaven&#8217;s sake <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And a hundred years from now? It would be fair use. J.K.&#8217;s great-grandchildren can earn their keep just like the rest of us. And if they are so worried about the potential of a &#8220;Dumbledore&#8217;s childhood&#8221; book, let them write it themsevles and profit accordingly.</p>
<p>Sorry to be so long-winded, David <img src='http://www.teleread.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I guess I am just passionate about this topic. And I should add, I am a writer too and it does not threaten me at all to suppose that my work will enter the public domain after a reasonable period.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 14:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Rob. Of course, given the ignorance shown in the article, I wonder if Helprin has really thought through all the ramifications of his extremist stand. Furthermore, if someone at Claremont has patents in mind, they&#039;re dong a good job of concealing. See a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aclaremont.org+patents&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google search on the Claremont site&lt;/a&gt;. - David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Rob. Of course, given the ignorance shown in the article, I wonder if Helprin has really thought through all the ramifications of his extremist stand. Furthermore, if someone at Claremont has patents in mind, they&#8217;re dong a good job of concealing. See a <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aclaremont.org+patents&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Google search on the Claremont site</a>. &#8211; David</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Preece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Preece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 13:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Helprin isn&#039;t serving as a stalking horse for patents. With all due respect to Helprin, not many published works still have value after a zillion years. But if patents didn&#039;t expire, that would really be a wealth transfer. For those who believe that intellectual property is just property, patents and ideas do come first. 

Rob Preece
Publisher, www.BooksForABuck.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Helprin isn&#8217;t serving as a stalking horse for patents. With all due respect to Helprin, not many published works still have value after a zillion years. But if patents didn&#8217;t expire, that would really be a wealth transfer. For those who believe that intellectual property is just property, patents and ideas do come first. </p>
<p>Rob Preece<br />
Publisher, <a href="http://www.BooksForABuck.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.BooksForABuck.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 11:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Freeing” a literary work into the public domain is less a public benefit than a transfer of wealth from the families of American writers to the executives and stockholders of various businesses who will continue to profit from, for example, “The Garden Party,” while the descendants of Katherine Mansfield will not.

This above quote from the article suggests Helprin hasn&#039;t a clue about ebooks.  He seems to view &quot;public domain&quot; as letting publishers offer (and profit from) low cost print editions. We should not scorn him; instead, we should pity his ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Freeing” a literary work into the public domain is less a public benefit than a transfer of wealth from the families of American writers to the executives and stockholders of various businesses who will continue to profit from, for example, “The Garden Party,” while the descendants of Katherine Mansfield will not.</p>
<p>This above quote from the article suggests Helprin hasn&#8217;t a clue about ebooks.  He seems to view &#8220;public domain&#8221; as letting publishers offer (and profit from) low cost print editions. We should not scorn him; instead, we should pity his ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 05:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also read the Slashdot comments. I don&#039;t know if taxation is the right thing to do. Taxation is already the reason that book publishers don&#039;t keep any old books in stock. As I understand it, they get taxed on this inventory, instead of being taxed on the books they actually sold.

That brings up an interesting question. If publishers offer ebooks, which are nothing but data, wouldn&#039;t they be able to offer books forever, without the tax burden? If so, books need never go out of print again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also read the Slashdot comments. I don&#8217;t know if taxation is the right thing to do. Taxation is already the reason that book publishers don&#8217;t keep any old books in stock. As I understand it, they get taxed on this inventory, instead of being taxed on the books they actually sold.</p>
<p>That brings up an interesting question. If publishers offer ebooks, which are nothing but data, wouldn&#8217;t they be able to offer books forever, without the tax burden? If so, books need never go out of print again.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Spira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Spira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 03:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is not behind the Times&#039; pay wall for opinion articles; only the Times&#039; regular op-ed writers - their op-ed columnists -  have their works behind that wall.  Article by op-ed contributors to the Times are never behind that wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is not behind the Times&#8217; pay wall for opinion articles; only the Times&#8217; regular op-ed writers &#8211; their op-ed columnists &#8211;  have their works behind that wall.  Article by op-ed contributors to the Times are never behind that wall.</p>
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