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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/uncategorized/welcome-to-1922-againand-again/comment-page-1/#comment-181877</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make a trivial point: a year and a half ago, I wrote Time/Warner/ &amp; Warner/Chappell Music &amp; ASCAP with a formal request for permission to have &quot;Happy Birthday&quot; sung to me at a public venue. To this date, I have not received a reply.  Answering requests is an example of what I consider to be the  &quot;maintenance and responsibility&quot; that accompanies the right of ownership.

Apparently, Larry Lessig &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.07/posts.html?pg=7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;had difficulties too&lt;/a&gt;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make a trivial point: a year and a half ago, I wrote Time/Warner/ &#038; Warner/Chappell Music &#038; ASCAP with a formal request for permission to have &#8220;Happy Birthday&#8221; sung to me at a public venue. To this date, I have not received a reply.  Answering requests is an example of what I consider to be the  &#8220;maintenance and responsibility&#8221; that accompanies the right of ownership.</p>
<p>Apparently, Larry Lessig <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.07/posts.html?pg=7" rel="nofollow">had difficulties too</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/uncategorized/welcome-to-1922-againand-again/comment-page-1/#comment-181855</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tamera:&lt;/strong&gt; First, re: orphaned works, I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teleread.com/blog/?p=5995&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;covered the Kahle vs. Gonzales case a few days ago &lt;/a&gt;. 

Maybe this sounds paternalistic, but I don&#039;t think descendants of writers always make decisions that are in keeping with the author&#039;s desires if were they alive.  For example, the Joyce estate is notorious for impeding scholarship (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060619fa_fact&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this New Yorker profile&lt;/a&gt;).  That&#039;s why the decision to extend copyright is worrisome; the relatives really have no idea what the author would have wanted; maybe they are hostile to the very idea of propagation of the original artefact in the public sphere. Maybe they are motivated solely by the desire to monetize intellectual property.  Sonny Bono&#039;s extension  only increases the distance between the author (and those who came in contact with the author)  and those who hold the rights today. 

It is reasonable to insist upon minimum re-registration fees if the public has an interest in copyrighted works becoming publicly available.  The rights of ownership should entail some maintenance and responsibility if they are going to last as long as 95 years or 70+ author&#039;s life. 

Finally, I am concerned that media companies have taken more control of rights for many entertainment properties than is reasonable.  Perhaps this is more likely to happen in music or film than in publishing; also, if rights are ceded to companies in such a fashion, one has to assume that artists realized  the implications of the contracts they signed. But when Time-Warner starts sending out cease-and-desist letters to mp3 sharers, I have to wonder whether they can have ANY concept of fair use or common culture if they insist on retaining ownership rights to Happy Birthday and sound recordings made during Edison&#039;s day. They are a profit-seeking business, more disposed to forbidding than allowing when it comes to derivative works, clearance, republishing and digitalization. 

Fortunately, 21nd century writers and artists are more attuned to the implications of signing away digital rights. Then again, could Dorothy Scarborough ever have anticipated that The Wind would be completely unavailable in 2007 when she published her novel in 1925?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Tamera:</strong> First, re: orphaned works, I <a href="http://www.teleread.com/blog/?p=5995" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">covered the Kahle vs. Gonzales case a few days ago </a>. </p>
<p>Maybe this sounds paternalistic, but I don&#8217;t think descendants of writers always make decisions that are in keeping with the author&#8217;s desires if were they alive.  For example, the Joyce estate is notorious for impeding scholarship (see <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060619fa_fact" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"> this New Yorker profile</a>).  That&#8217;s why the decision to extend copyright is worrisome; the relatives really have no idea what the author would have wanted; maybe they are hostile to the very idea of propagation of the original artefact in the public sphere. Maybe they are motivated solely by the desire to monetize intellectual property.  Sonny Bono&#8217;s extension  only increases the distance between the author (and those who came in contact with the author)  and those who hold the rights today. </p>
<p>It is reasonable to insist upon minimum re-registration fees if the public has an interest in copyrighted works becoming publicly available.  The rights of ownership should entail some maintenance and responsibility if they are going to last as long as 95 years or 70+ author&#8217;s life. </p>
<p>Finally, I am concerned that media companies have taken more control of rights for many entertainment properties than is reasonable.  Perhaps this is more likely to happen in music or film than in publishing; also, if rights are ceded to companies in such a fashion, one has to assume that artists realized  the implications of the contracts they signed. But when Time-Warner starts sending out cease-and-desist letters to mp3 sharers, I have to wonder whether they can have ANY concept of fair use or common culture if they insist on retaining ownership rights to Happy Birthday and sound recordings made during Edison&#8217;s day. They are a profit-seeking business, more disposed to forbidding than allowing when it comes to derivative works, clearance, republishing and digitalization. </p>
<p>Fortunately, 21nd century writers and artists are more attuned to the implications of signing away digital rights. Then again, could Dorothy Scarborough ever have anticipated that The Wind would be completely unavailable in 2007 when she published her novel in 1925?</p>
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		<title>By: Tamera Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/uncategorized/welcome-to-1922-againand-again/comment-page-1/#comment-181124</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamera Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a distinction needs to be made between Orphan Works and works that are out of print because the copyright owner makes a choice not to print.  

In the Orphan Works case, there is an inability after proper due diligence to locate the copyright owner.  One of the biggest points of disagreement in the Orphan Works Act of 2006 (now part of the Copyright Modernization Act of 2006) is developing criteria for a diligent search of a copyright owner.  Under the Orphan Work revisions to the Copyright Act, there would be safe harbors for reproducing works that have truly been orphaned.

Whether we like it or not, the copyright owner can choose not to license or reproduce a work.  It is that simple.  

Also, I think assumptions are being made in many of the posts that an unrelated third party (like a behemoth corporation) owns the copyright and not the actual author of the work.  You really cannot make that assumption. For many of the older works, the heirs of the author have (or could have) claimed the ownership under the termination provisions in the 1909 Copyright Act and either control the rights directly or have chosen to enter into new licensing arrangements.

I appreciate everyone&#039;s point of view.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a distinction needs to be made between Orphan Works and works that are out of print because the copyright owner makes a choice not to print.  </p>
<p>In the Orphan Works case, there is an inability after proper due diligence to locate the copyright owner.  One of the biggest points of disagreement in the Orphan Works Act of 2006 (now part of the Copyright Modernization Act of 2006) is developing criteria for a diligent search of a copyright owner.  Under the Orphan Work revisions to the Copyright Act, there would be safe harbors for reproducing works that have truly been orphaned.</p>
<p>Whether we like it or not, the copyright owner can choose not to license or reproduce a work.  It is that simple.  </p>
<p>Also, I think assumptions are being made in many of the posts that an unrelated third party (like a behemoth corporation) owns the copyright and not the actual author of the work.  You really cannot make that assumption. For many of the older works, the heirs of the author have (or could have) claimed the ownership under the termination provisions in the 1909 Copyright Act and either control the rights directly or have chosen to enter into new licensing arrangements.</p>
<p>I appreciate everyone&#8217;s point of view.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Branko Collin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Branko Collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;There are many creative folks who were/are able to leave a legacy and retirement to their family because of the protections under the copyright act and the extensions to the copyright act.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

If it requires stealing from the public, it&#039;s not excusable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>There are many creative folks who were/are able to leave a legacy and retirement to their family because of the protections under the copyright act and the extensions to the copyright act.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>If it requires stealing from the public, it&#8217;s not excusable.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/uncategorized/welcome-to-1922-againand-again/comment-page-1/#comment-176297</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAMERA: The problem is that the relatives/descendants benefit nothing from being out of print. Ebooks should make it possible to make available works with limited market value at a small price. Neither party is served by having it out of print; ultra-low cost ebooks of these books should be available. They are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAMERA: The problem is that the relatives/descendants benefit nothing from being out of print. Ebooks should make it possible to make available works with limited market value at a small price. Neither party is served by having it out of print; ultra-low cost ebooks of these books should be available. They are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamera Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/uncategorized/welcome-to-1922-againand-again/comment-page-1/#comment-176285</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamera Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By:  Tamera H. Bennett

While I appreciate the loss of access to many great works because of high costs or fear of litigation, I respectfully ask that you not forgot those individuals who benefit from the extension.  There are many creative folks who were/are able to leave a legacy and retirement to their family because of the protections under the copyright act and the extensions to the copyright act.

blog:  www.ipandentertainmentlaw.wordpress.com
website:  www.tbennettlaw.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By:  Tamera H. Bennett</p>
<p>While I appreciate the loss of access to many great works because of high costs or fear of litigation, I respectfully ask that you not forgot those individuals who benefit from the extension.  There are many creative folks who were/are able to leave a legacy and retirement to their family because of the protections under the copyright act and the extensions to the copyright act.</p>
<p>blog:  <a href="http://www.ipandentertainmentlaw.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipandentertainmentlaw.wordpress.com</a><br />
website:  <a href="http://www.tbennettlaw.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tbennettlaw.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Wisse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Wisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole situation is ridiculous (and here in the EU some books went retroactively back into copyright, as it was extended from life + 50 to life + 70), but I fear you are slightly misleading in what actually keeps books from not being republished because they&#039;re still in copyright. 

As far as I know, it&#039;s not so much that the cost of paying whoever owns the right to a long out of print, old book to republish it, it&#039;s finding out who owns these rights in the first place and then getting them to agree to reasonable terms.

No publisher is willing to risk a lawsuit by publishing a book to which the rights are unclear if they can help it and at the same time, a lot of people who own the copyrights of out of print books are people unfamiliar with the book business, so clueless as to what a good price is....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole situation is ridiculous (and here in the EU some books went retroactively back into copyright, as it was extended from life + 50 to life + 70), but I fear you are slightly misleading in what actually keeps books from not being republished because they&#8217;re still in copyright. </p>
<p>As far as I know, it&#8217;s not so much that the cost of paying whoever owns the right to a long out of print, old book to republish it, it&#8217;s finding out who owns these rights in the first place and then getting them to agree to reasonable terms.</p>
<p>No publisher is willing to risk a lawsuit by publishing a book to which the rights are unclear if they can help it and at the same time, a lot of people who own the copyrights of out of print books are people unfamiliar with the book business, so clueless as to what a good price is&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Branko&#8217;s Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The copyright ghosts of the roaring twenties and beyond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Branko&#8217;s Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The copyright ghosts of the roaring twenties and beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At the Teleread blog (where I also blog), Robert Nagle is talking about works that did not enter the public domain in the USA when they should have, thanks to Walt Disney and other publishers buying legislation to shrink the public domain. His series is called The Copyright Ghosts Of&#8230;, discusses actual works (today amongst others: Billy Bud, written in 1891 by Herman Melville), and will run for ten episodes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] At the Teleread blog (where I also blog), Robert Nagle is talking about works that did not enter the public domain in the USA when they should have, thanks to Walt Disney and other publishers buying legislation to shrink the public domain. His series is called The Copyright Ghosts Of&#8230;, discusses actual works (today amongst others: Billy Bud, written in 1891 by Herman Melville), and will run for ten episodes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 05:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many great books that are locked up because of the copyright extensions.  But it just becomes an effort in futility in thinking of this.  May I make sugestion or two.  First of all there are countries in thye world with only a 50 year copyright. Australia and Canada come to mind.  Both have Gutenberg sites.  I have also found that many famous novels were serialized and thus the time clock might start much eariler as prior art.  Often these were not copyrighted at all or were not renewed in time.  I might mention that there are 5 L&#039;Amour novels and stories in the public domain.  Often the worst thing from our perspective is that a novel or story be republished in the &#039;60&#039;s an &#039;70&#039;s or made into a movie.  
There are other option as well.  There are many text books published for and by the U.S. Federal government for the U.S. military and DOE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many great books that are locked up because of the copyright extensions.  But it just becomes an effort in futility in thinking of this.  May I make sugestion or two.  First of all there are countries in thye world with only a 50 year copyright. Australia and Canada come to mind.  Both have Gutenberg sites.  I have also found that many famous novels were serialized and thus the time clock might start much eariler as prior art.  Often these were not copyrighted at all or were not renewed in time.  I might mention that there are 5 L&#8217;Amour novels and stories in the public domain.  Often the worst thing from our perspective is that a novel or story be republished in the &#8217;60&#8242;s an &#8217;70&#8242;s or made into a movie.<br />
There are other option as well.  There are many text books published for and by the U.S. Federal government for the U.S. military and DOE.</p>
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