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		<title>By: Nathan Early</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/robert-nagle/why-ebooks-why-not-browsersfeed-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-708716</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Early</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few people who are attempting their own web-novels and a number of browser based books. 

I&#039;ve just started a project myself.

Time will tell how sucessful these endeavors prove to be.

Although he does bring up a good point. I will need to look into releasing e-Books when the story gets large enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few people who are attempting their own web-novels and a number of browser based books. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just started a project myself.</p>
<p>Time will tell how sucessful these endeavors prove to be.</p>
<p>Although he does bring up a good point. I will need to look into releasing e-Books when the story gets large enough.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/robert-nagle/why-ebooks-why-not-browsersfeed-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-74585</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert: Thanks for elaborating re the RSS. To me, it makes more sense when a book or podcast series is being produced and there&#039;s no other choice. I&#039;d rather get the material on my own terms. Then again, others may see things different. Best of oblige all kinds of users.

Garson: I, too, like to check out relevant sites at times when I&#039;m reading. One problem is that sites come and go. Ideally books themselves can have stable links, as well as deep linking, so you can find specifics in one book while reading another. (Oh no! I&#039;ve offended John Updike.)

Thanks,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert: Thanks for elaborating re the RSS. To me, it makes more sense when a book or podcast series is being produced and there&#8217;s no other choice. I&#8217;d rather get the material on my own terms. Then again, others may see things different. Best of oblige all kinds of users.</p>
<p>Garson: I, too, like to check out relevant sites at times when I&#8217;m reading. One problem is that sites come and go. Ideally books themselves can have stable links, as well as deep linking, so you can find specifics in one book while reading another. (Oh no! I&#8217;ve offended John Updike.)</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Garson Poole</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/robert-nagle/why-ebooks-why-not-browsersfeed-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-74454</link>
		<dc:creator>Garson Poole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Nagle provides a valuable discussion of some of the distinctions between offline and online reading. Recently, I have been collecting examples to illustrate the desirability of rapid and easy access to the web while reading. My understanding and enjoyment of many texts was increased because I was able to select a word or phrase from an ebook and feed it into a search engine with effortless alacrity during my recreational reading. Below are four examples:

An excerpt from “The Crystal World” by J. G. Ballard:
The light at Port Matarre is always like this, very heavy and penumbral -- do you know Böcklin&#039;s painting, &#039;Island of the Dead,&#039; where the cypresses stand guard above a cliff pierced by a hypogeum, while a storm hovers over the sea?

I was able to rapidly find an electronic representation of the painting “Island of the Dead” online and this helped me to understand Ballard’s mood building citation. I was also able to look up the word “hypogeum” which was not part of my vocabulary.

An excerpt from “Pickman&#039;s Model” by H. P. Lovecraft:
That&#039;s because only a real artist knows the actual anatomy of the terrible or the physiology of fear - the exact sort of lines and proportions that connect up with latent instincts or hereditary memories of fright, and the proper colour contrasts and lighting effects to stir the dormant sense of strangeness. I don&#039;t have to tell you why a Fuseli really brings a shiver while a cheap ghost-story frontispiece merely makes us laugh.

Online I was able to determine the images that caused Howard Phillips Lovecraft to shiver by finding two variants of Fuseli’s most famous painting subject entitled “Nightmare”. Wikipedia has a relevant article, and it is fun to know what frightens the frightener. 

An excerpt from “Ubik” by P. K. Dick:
He noticed then that subtle background music hung over the lounge. It had been there all this time. The same as on the chopper. “Dies irae, dies illa,” the voices sang darkly. “Solvet saeclum in favilla, teste David cum Sybilla.” The Verdi Requiem, he realized.

I was able to read about The Verdi Requiem and to find a translation of the lyrics that P. K. Dick does not provide. The lyrics were valuable in deciphering Dick’s novel I believe. An mp3 of the requiem also helped me to hear what Dick was probably hearing in his mind during the composition of his novel.

An excerpt containing the initial sentences of “Tau Zero” by Poul Anderson:
&quot;Look - there - rising over the Hand of God. Is it?&quot;
&quot;Yes, I think so. Our ship.&quot;
They were the last to go as Millesgården was closed.

This beginning book passage was confusing. Online I determined that Millesgården is a museum with a collection of statuary by Carl Milles. “Hand of God” is one of the celebrated sculptures that he created and it has several variants. Seeing an image of the sculpture as it appears in Millesgården was wonderful and it helped to clarify that the phrase “our ship” refers to a spaceship.

Perhaps these examples and others from your experience can help to show that ebook hardware with internet connections and web browsers can help intensify the reading experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Nagle provides a valuable discussion of some of the distinctions between offline and online reading. Recently, I have been collecting examples to illustrate the desirability of rapid and easy access to the web while reading. My understanding and enjoyment of many texts was increased because I was able to select a word or phrase from an ebook and feed it into a search engine with effortless alacrity during my recreational reading. Below are four examples:</p>
<p>An excerpt from “The Crystal World” by J. G. Ballard:<br />
The light at Port Matarre is always like this, very heavy and penumbral &#8212; do you know Böcklin&#8217;s painting, &#8216;Island of the Dead,&#8217; where the cypresses stand guard above a cliff pierced by a hypogeum, while a storm hovers over the sea?</p>
<p>I was able to rapidly find an electronic representation of the painting “Island of the Dead” online and this helped me to understand Ballard’s mood building citation. I was also able to look up the word “hypogeum” which was not part of my vocabulary.</p>
<p>An excerpt from “Pickman&#8217;s Model” by H. P. Lovecraft:<br />
That&#8217;s because only a real artist knows the actual anatomy of the terrible or the physiology of fear &#8211; the exact sort of lines and proportions that connect up with latent instincts or hereditary memories of fright, and the proper colour contrasts and lighting effects to stir the dormant sense of strangeness. I don&#8217;t have to tell you why a Fuseli really brings a shiver while a cheap ghost-story frontispiece merely makes us laugh.</p>
<p>Online I was able to determine the images that caused Howard Phillips Lovecraft to shiver by finding two variants of Fuseli’s most famous painting subject entitled “Nightmare”. Wikipedia has a relevant article, and it is fun to know what frightens the frightener. </p>
<p>An excerpt from “Ubik” by P. K. Dick:<br />
He noticed then that subtle background music hung over the lounge. It had been there all this time. The same as on the chopper. “Dies irae, dies illa,” the voices sang darkly. “Solvet saeclum in favilla, teste David cum Sybilla.” The Verdi Requiem, he realized.</p>
<p>I was able to read about The Verdi Requiem and to find a translation of the lyrics that P. K. Dick does not provide. The lyrics were valuable in deciphering Dick’s novel I believe. An mp3 of the requiem also helped me to hear what Dick was probably hearing in his mind during the composition of his novel.</p>
<p>An excerpt containing the initial sentences of “Tau Zero” by Poul Anderson:<br />
&#8220;Look &#8211; there &#8211; rising over the Hand of God. Is it?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Yes, I think so. Our ship.&#8221;<br />
They were the last to go as Millesgården was closed.</p>
<p>This beginning book passage was confusing. Online I determined that Millesgården is a museum with a collection of statuary by Carl Milles. “Hand of God” is one of the celebrated sculptures that he created and it has several variants. Seeing an image of the sculpture as it appears in Millesgården was wonderful and it helped to clarify that the phrase “our ship” refers to a spaceship.</p>
<p>Perhaps these examples and others from your experience can help to show that ebook hardware with internet connections and web browsers can help intensify the reading experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/robert-nagle/why-ebooks-why-not-browsersfeed-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-73148</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yes, RSS is a different beast, but interestingly, podiobooks.com creates custom RSS feeds for serial fiction podcasts (and in fact the sequential dripping out of content is intrinsic to the listening experience). The feed begins when you subscribe, lasts for a certain number of episodes, and feeds you these episodes from the point you start subscribing.  The same thing could easily be done in text-based content to create an artificial sense of suspense. 

I may be an exception, but I read mainly fiction and poetry only in bed (or perhaps a very comfy chair). I almost never read web fiction on my monitor unless I have converted it to some kind of ebook first. Tthis may have to do with the horizontal orientation of the Opera browser on the Nokia 770  compared to the vertical orientation of the fbreader reading software.  Also, because most of the sites I read are not designed for mobile devices, they are often difficult to read in a web browser. 

Call me a techno-optimist, but I think the next generation of ebook readers will transform the world! Yes, $350 is still too high for essentially a reading device, but I would gladly pay a pretty penny if it accomplishes half of what it claims to do.  I&#039;ve taught literature at universities before; now and especially when the Sony Reader comes out,  it will be a no brainer for scholars in history and literature departments to buy these things in addition to laptops.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, RSS is a different beast, but interestingly, podiobooks.com creates custom RSS feeds for serial fiction podcasts (and in fact the sequential dripping out of content is intrinsic to the listening experience). The feed begins when you subscribe, lasts for a certain number of episodes, and feeds you these episodes from the point you start subscribing.  The same thing could easily be done in text-based content to create an artificial sense of suspense. </p>
<p>I may be an exception, but I read mainly fiction and poetry only in bed (or perhaps a very comfy chair). I almost never read web fiction on my monitor unless I have converted it to some kind of ebook first. Tthis may have to do with the horizontal orientation of the Opera browser on the Nokia 770  compared to the vertical orientation of the fbreader reading software.  Also, because most of the sites I read are not designed for mobile devices, they are often difficult to read in a web browser. </p>
<p>Call me a techno-optimist, but I think the next generation of ebook readers will transform the world! Yes, $350 is still too high for essentially a reading device, but I would gladly pay a pretty penny if it accomplishes half of what it claims to do.  I&#8217;ve taught literature at universities before; now and especially when the Sony Reader comes out,  it will be a no brainer for scholars in history and literature departments to buy these things in addition to laptops.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/robert-nagle/why-ebooks-why-not-browsersfeed-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-73093</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick observation: An IDPF survey showed that most customes of Fictionwise, etc., preferred PDAs. I love mine (plural). It would be fun to interesting to see what happened if PDAs were used without all the present complexities resulting from the Tower of eBabel, the harsh DRM and the joys of ActiveSync-style procedures--or, in the Gutenberg world, the complexities of format converesation (certainly Plucker approch is progress in that regard!). I won&#039;t give up on the form factor yet. Anyway, a great discussion. And by the way, Bill, I&#039;d agree with you on RSS and e-books. Two different creatures. The Wikipedia, on the other hand, is indeed an e-book---a networked version of the venerable Britannica. - David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick observation: An IDPF survey showed that most customes of Fictionwise, etc., preferred PDAs. I love mine (plural). It would be fun to interesting to see what happened if PDAs were used without all the present complexities resulting from the Tower of eBabel, the harsh DRM and the joys of ActiveSync-style procedures&#8211;or, in the Gutenberg world, the complexities of format converesation (certainly Plucker approch is progress in that regard!). I won&#8217;t give up on the form factor yet. Anyway, a great discussion. And by the way, Bill, I&#8217;d agree with you on RSS and e-books. Two different creatures. The Wikipedia, on the other hand, is indeed an e-book&#8212;a networked version of the venerable Britannica. &#8211; David</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Janssen</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/robert-nagle/why-ebooks-why-not-browsersfeed-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-73064</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Janssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;most of the people I know have no idea of what I mean when I say “ebook.” For them it simply means, “something you read on your laptop” (usually a PDF).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, that&#039;s what I&#039;m driving at.  And their notion of an ebook is a valid one.  The most successful and widely read ebooks in existence are structured as either Web sites or PDF files.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And in that case, there really is no difference in the reading experience (in terms of design and hardware).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But there is one difference, I think -- the successful web-page/PDF ebooks are largely DRM-free.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps the differences will become apparent as we have more devices and reading systems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Personally, I doubt it.  I think the &quot;download a file and read it offline&quot; model of ebooks has had its day (short as it may have been).  My hypothesis is that normal computers (laptops and otherwise) and cellphones are the devices that people will buy and carry, and any e-reading that is going to be done will be done primarily on those.  The PDA and the hardware book-reader are gadget ideas that failed in the marketplace, and it&#039;s difficult to see what could ever revive them.  And what&#039;s more, the laptop and cellphone that people read on will be continuously connected (no more &quot;offline&quot;).

Sure, there are some possible odd places where you &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; see e-reading hardware.  A college or other educational institution might require them for textbooks; they might succeed in China, as others have posited.  But long-term, it&#039;s hard to see how they can compete.

By the way, why do you continue to talk about RSS?  RSS is a simple mechanism to transform pull-notification of web-site changes into pseudo-push notification.  To compare it to ebooks is to compare apples and oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>most of the people I know have no idea of what I mean when I say “ebook.” For them it simply means, “something you read on your laptop” (usually a PDF).</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m driving at.  And their notion of an ebook is a valid one.  The most successful and widely read ebooks in existence are structured as either Web sites or PDF files.</p>
<blockquote><p>And in that case, there really is no difference in the reading experience (in terms of design and hardware).</p></blockquote>
<p>But there is one difference, I think &#8212; the successful web-page/PDF ebooks are largely DRM-free.</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps the differences will become apparent as we have more devices and reading systems.</p></blockquote>
<p>Personally, I doubt it.  I think the &#8220;download a file and read it offline&#8221; model of ebooks has had its day (short as it may have been).  My hypothesis is that normal computers (laptops and otherwise) and cellphones are the devices that people will buy and carry, and any e-reading that is going to be done will be done primarily on those.  The PDA and the hardware book-reader are gadget ideas that failed in the marketplace, and it&#8217;s difficult to see what could ever revive them.  And what&#8217;s more, the laptop and cellphone that people read on will be continuously connected (no more &#8220;offline&#8221;).</p>
<p>Sure, there are some possible odd places where you <i>might</i> see e-reading hardware.  A college or other educational institution might require them for textbooks; they might succeed in China, as others have posited.  But long-term, it&#8217;s hard to see how they can compete.</p>
<p>By the way, why do you continue to talk about RSS?  RSS is a simple mechanism to transform pull-notification of web-site changes into pseudo-push notification.  To compare it to ebooks is to compare apples and oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/robert-nagle/why-ebooks-why-not-browsersfeed-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-72991</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: most of the people I know have no idea of what I mean when I say &quot;ebook.&quot;  For them it simply means, &quot;something you read on your laptop&quot; (usually a PDF). And in that case, there really is no difference in the reading experience (in terms of design and hardware).  Perhaps the differences will become apparent as we have more devices and reading systems. Even though the differences between ebooks and RSS feeds don&#039;t seem significantly different, in fact their workflows and authoring tools are radically different. That to me is why the question is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: most of the people I know have no idea of what I mean when I say &#8220;ebook.&#8221;  For them it simply means, &#8220;something you read on your laptop&#8221; (usually a PDF). And in that case, there really is no difference in the reading experience (in terms of design and hardware).  Perhaps the differences will become apparent as we have more devices and reading systems. Even though the differences between ebooks and RSS feeds don&#8217;t seem significantly different, in fact their workflows and authoring tools are radically different. That to me is why the question is important.</p>
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		<title>By: Eoin Purcell&#8217;s Blog &#187; Links of Interest (At Least to Me) 09/08/06</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eoin Purcell&#8217;s Blog &#187; Links of Interest (At Least to Me) 09/08/06</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Teleread, a blog advocating ebooks and open DRM has an interesting article in prepation for Barcamp Texas. Worth reading. Here [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Janssen</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/robert-nagle/why-ebooks-why-not-browsersfeed-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-72877</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Janssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I think you&#039;re setting up a false dichotomy.  The choice isn&#039;t between &quot;ebooks&quot; and blogs/RSS feeds, it&#039;s between ebooks in the never-actually-succeeded 1998 model of ebooks epitomized by the DEC SRC Lectrice -- the GemStar/SoftBook/Nuvomedia/Mobipocket/MS Reader/eReader model -- and ebooks in the wildly successful download-as-PDF-and-print, or use-as-a-Web-site models.  Ebooks on the Web aren&#039;t blogs; examples of successful ebooks include Wikipedia, the New York Times (a new ebook every day), PubMed, the collection of documents in the ACM Digital Library, etc.  Edited, published, curated content.  It should surprise no one to see that (successful) ebooks are in fact different from pbooks.

See &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ebook-community/message/25937&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my post to the ebook-community list about this&lt;/a&gt; (which has generated a remarkably small follow-up trail -- perhaps because the &quot;alternative future&quot; meme is so deeply embedded in the readers of that list).  See &lt;a href=&quot;http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the On-Line Books Page&lt;/a&gt; for a listing of additional on-line books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I think you&#8217;re setting up a false dichotomy.  The choice isn&#8217;t between &#8220;ebooks&#8221; and blogs/RSS feeds, it&#8217;s between ebooks in the never-actually-succeeded 1998 model of ebooks epitomized by the DEC SRC Lectrice &#8212; the GemStar/SoftBook/Nuvomedia/Mobipocket/MS Reader/eReader model &#8212; and ebooks in the wildly successful download-as-PDF-and-print, or use-as-a-Web-site models.  Ebooks on the Web aren&#8217;t blogs; examples of successful ebooks include Wikipedia, the New York Times (a new ebook every day), PubMed, the collection of documents in the ACM Digital Library, etc.  Edited, published, curated content.  It should surprise no one to see that (successful) ebooks are in fact different from pbooks.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ebook-community/message/25937" rel="nofollow">my post to the ebook-community list about this</a> (which has generated a remarkably small follow-up trail &#8212; perhaps because the &#8220;alternative future&#8221; meme is so deeply embedded in the readers of that list).  See <a href="http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/" rel="nofollow">the On-Line Books Page</a> for a listing of additional on-line books.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikolaj</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.com/robert-nagle/why-ebooks-why-not-browsersfeed-readers/comment-page-1/#comment-72823</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikolaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert: Well, I usually do so with paper books - I naively trust that I remember where I finished, and then have to browse to the actual place. I  wasn&#039;t thinking of the scrollbar navigation as a distinct means, but rather that with the whole book being scrollable &amp; indexed, one could always resort to either method, provided that your viewer supports them. Your options when browsing 100 sites depend on the choices made by 100 content providers. As an extreme - remember everybody got annoyed by the flash-laden sites in pre-broadband times? In a sense, it&#039;s a single standard vs. dozens of individual whims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert: Well, I usually do so with paper books &#8211; I naively trust that I remember where I finished, and then have to browse to the actual place. I  wasn&#8217;t thinking of the scrollbar navigation as a distinct means, but rather that with the whole book being scrollable &amp; indexed, one could always resort to either method, provided that your viewer supports them. Your options when browsing 100 sites depend on the choices made by 100 content providers. As an extreme &#8211; remember everybody got annoyed by the flash-laden sites in pre-broadband times? In a sense, it&#8217;s a single standard vs. dozens of individual whims.</p>
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		<title>By: xendula</title>
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		<dc:creator>xendula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like your article and would like to add two more points.

Pro-Ebook:
Editability. I can underline, highlight, boookmark, add a comment or a drawing, etc. This may not sound interesting for fiction, but very interesting for non-fiction. I work in higher education and I see a real potential there (I just wish others saw it, too!).

Pro-Offline Reading:
Independance. As long as I have an SD card, I have a library in my hand. I can read on planes, at the beach, when waiting in line, and in many more places where I doubt I would find an Internet connection.  Even when I am in the States I need to look for a Panera to go online when on the go. Otherwise, I would have to pay (like at Starbucks), so here is one more point: I would pay double if the content I would like to read was not free - once for the content, and, additionally, every single time I would like to access it on the go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like your article and would like to add two more points.</p>
<p>Pro-Ebook:<br />
Editability. I can underline, highlight, boookmark, add a comment or a drawing, etc. This may not sound interesting for fiction, but very interesting for non-fiction. I work in higher education and I see a real potential there (I just wish others saw it, too!).</p>
<p>Pro-Offline Reading:<br />
Independance. As long as I have an SD card, I have a library in my hand. I can read on planes, at the beach, when waiting in line, and in many more places where I doubt I would find an Internet connection.  Even when I am in the States I need to look for a Panera to go online when on the go. Otherwise, I would have to pay (like at Starbucks), so here is one more point: I would pay double if the content I would like to read was not free &#8211; once for the content, and, additionally, every single time I would like to access it on the go.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HUW:  To put it another way: in ebooks, content is carefully selected, edited and --heavens!--even proofread.  With an ebook, you know that somebody has probably gone out of his/her way to streamline it for readability and made sure it&#039;s full of meat. With RSS/web surfing, you don&#039;t have that high degree of confidence.  I wonder though whether web software (blog, wikis) can perform this same kind of winnowing/pruning/polishing function  too.  Instead of just posting something &quot;when you feel like it,&quot; a blog/book can consist of a select number of posts in polished form.  

Bob: I think I understand what you&#039;re getting after. Better to follow 5 RSS feeds than 300. Interestingly, I configured a new bloglines account, imported my OPML file of my 300 feeds  to the new account and started deleting as many feeds as I could. I found it impossible to limit myself to under 100. Scary realization.  I intentionally tried to limit my feeds to those offering a lot of meaty content, but I still couldn&#039;t crack 100. 

Mikolaj: Although I&#039;m glad &quot;messy navigation with scrollbars&quot; exist, I wonder why we would actually use it. It&#039;s more helpful for previewing the book than actually going through it. 

Liviu: I couldn&#039;t decide whether casual/occasional reading (such as reference works) would work better as ebooks or as web-accessible content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HUW:  To put it another way: in ebooks, content is carefully selected, edited and &#8211;heavens!&#8211;even proofread.  With an ebook, you know that somebody has probably gone out of his/her way to streamline it for readability and made sure it&#8217;s full of meat. With RSS/web surfing, you don&#8217;t have that high degree of confidence.  I wonder though whether web software (blog, wikis) can perform this same kind of winnowing/pruning/polishing function  too.  Instead of just posting something &#8220;when you feel like it,&#8221; a blog/book can consist of a select number of posts in polished form.  </p>
<p>Bob: I think I understand what you&#8217;re getting after. Better to follow 5 RSS feeds than 300. Interestingly, I configured a new bloglines account, imported my OPML file of my 300 feeds  to the new account and started deleting as many feeds as I could. I found it impossible to limit myself to under 100. Scary realization.  I intentionally tried to limit my feeds to those offering a lot of meaty content, but I still couldn&#8217;t crack 100. </p>
<p>Mikolaj: Although I&#8217;m glad &#8220;messy navigation with scrollbars&#8221; exist, I wonder why we would actually use it. It&#8217;s more helpful for previewing the book than actually going through it. </p>
<p>Liviu: I couldn&#8217;t decide whether casual/occasional reading (such as reference works) would work better as ebooks or as web-accessible content.</p>
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		<title>By: Huw Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, in pure technology terms, I&#039;d say that a novel or a textbook provided in HTML and read with a browser is still an ebook. Even if it has internal/external links and no DRM etc, it&#039;s still an ebook. I suspect the question you want to ask is &quot;why ebook readers, not browsers/feed readers?&quot;

To go a little deeper (and away from presentation technology and toward content), if the &quot;book&quot; part of ebook implies something that has been published in the traditional sense (i.e. it&#039;s gone through a selection process and then been edited/designed to professional standards) then there&#039;s your fundamental difference from a blog or web feed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, in pure technology terms, I&#8217;d say that a novel or a textbook provided in HTML and read with a browser is still an ebook. Even if it has internal/external links and no DRM etc, it&#8217;s still an ebook. I suspect the question you want to ask is &#8220;why ebook readers, not browsers/feed readers?&#8221;</p>
<p>To go a little deeper (and away from presentation technology and toward content), if the &#8220;book&#8221; part of ebook implies something that has been published in the traditional sense (i.e. it&#8217;s gone through a selection process and then been edited/designed to professional standards) then there&#8217;s your fundamental difference from a blog or web feed.</p>
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		<title>By: Liviu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liviu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

 There is no way web surfing/rss feeds/browsers will replace fiction books. E-books are just a manifestation of books and while they have several differences with the p-books (so I agree we should not try to imitate the p-book experience exactly but take advantage of the e possibilities), they are still books. So they still require some concentration, some privacy/isolation, fixed content (not all of us are storytellers) and so on. 
For nonfiction and manuals and more generally books that are intrinsically split in chunks (fiction short stories too), there may be a case for browsers/feed readers but we are still far away from the technical capability to make it feasible on the publishing scale of today.

 Liviu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p> There is no way web surfing/rss feeds/browsers will replace fiction books. E-books are just a manifestation of books and while they have several differences with the p-books (so I agree we should not try to imitate the p-book experience exactly but take advantage of the e possibilities), they are still books. So they still require some concentration, some privacy/isolation, fixed content (not all of us are storytellers) and so on.<br />
For nonfiction and manuals and more generally books that are intrinsically split in chunks (fiction short stories too), there may be a case for browsers/feed readers but we are still far away from the technical capability to make it feasible on the publishing scale of today.</p>
<p> Liviu</p>
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		<title>By: Mikolaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikolaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mention better TOC, so accessing the content in a discrete fashion, I would point to the opposite - continuous navigation throught the whole file:

Say, I finished reading more or less at 2/3 of a pdf =&gt; scroll-bar to ca. 2/3, have I been here already? No - move a a little back, Yes - a little forward.

Normally, you would automatically mix both TOC and &quot;messy navigation&quot; to quickly get where you want. Web content lacks this flexibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention better TOC, so accessing the content in a discrete fashion, I would point to the opposite &#8211; continuous navigation throught the whole file:</p>
<p>Say, I finished reading more or less at 2/3 of a pdf =&gt; scroll-bar to ca. 2/3, have I been here already? No &#8211; move a a little back, Yes &#8211; a little forward.</p>
<p>Normally, you would automatically mix both TOC and &#8220;messy navigation&#8221; to quickly get where you want. Web content lacks this flexibility.</p>
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